Analysis Where to play McGovern

[Chris_6678]

Funny how on the coach and 6pr mentioned how Melbourne sent Dawes to tag Mcgovern. Mcgovern up front last year was needed as we had crappy ball use going to the forwards. Now that our mids have better disposal and putting it lace out to Darling, JK and co Mcgovern isn't needed as much front. When Emac is back look out as Mcgovern will be even more of a weapon down back.

 

[WCE_phil]

This is how i see it.

Can mcgovern be a great forward? Yes.
Can he be the best CHB since Jakovich did his knee / the best i've ever seen? Yes.

It's why i say play him back and swing him forward in bursts as a change up.

 

[EagleEgo]

Midfield.

 

[LordHaart]

Midfield.

Do you even have played football. Forward Pocket as crumber clearly.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Wherever we need him on any given week. Genuine utility.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

From a team balance point of view if he could play CHF and spell Nic in the ruck - that would give us an extremely formidable forward line with plenty of scope for smalls

Hopefully Nic gets fitter to carry bigger ruck loads

I've been pushing his barrow for a while and it was interesting to hear that is Jeremy's preferred role

 

[Natho]

Who knows if Brown and Emac will be ready round 1 next year? Brown may do some WAFL time if there isnt a spot for him. Let's just enjoy the Gov's dominance for this year.

 

[paran]

This is how i see it.

Can mcgovern be a great forward? Yes.
Can he be the best CHB since Jakovich did his knee / the best i've ever seen? Yes.

It's why i say play him back and swing him forward in bursts as a change up.

I reckon he can be the greatest CHF since Carey...

 

[WCE_phil]

Who knows if Brown and Emac will be ready round 1 next year? Brown may do some WAFL time if there isnt a spot for him. Let's just enjoy the Gov's dominance for this year.

I don't want brown in the team. We saw last time how much the first ACL affected him in regards to his agility and dare i say it, his kicking. His absolutely horrid kicking just doesn't fit in with our team structure as far as im concerned. Happy to have him as depth but don't want him getting any more games than absolutely required.

If i was a religious man i would be leading a prayer group on Emac coming back from the injury at 100%

 

[Natho]

I don't want brown in the team. We saw last time how much the first ACL affected him in regards to his agility and dare i say it, his kicking. His absolutely horrid kicking just doesn't fit in with our team structure as far as im concerned. Happy to have him as depth but don't want him getting any more games than absolutely required.

If i was a religious man i would be leading a prayer group on Emac coming back from the injury at 100%

Yeah sad to say but Brown may struggle after this knee reco. Doesn't offer as much as the rest of our big defenders.

 

[Obeanie1]

No. We wait for 2016. We're pushing to go deep into September this season, which means no need to blood youngsters just for the sake of game experience.

Sounds like Barrass is knocking pretty loudly for a game. Has been playing consistently well. He's earned a game so he should get a game if one of the medium or tall defenders gets injured or a tall forward.

We played McGovern forward for a bit of the last quarter last week.

Kennedy, McGovern and Darling up forward at the same time could get complicated.

But changing a winning formula doesn't sound smart unless its forced on you. Then again look what happened when we lost Brown and MacKenzie.................we found a new system that is really working well.

If Barrass doesn't get games this year next year will be even tougher. The kid is playing really well and is developing nicely.

 

[wce4premiership]

I prefer him down back, we're the highest scoring team in the league, we have Kennedy and Darling, he's playing AA level down back amd his skillset is well suited.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Kennedy, McGovern and Darling up forward at the same time could get complicated.

No more than Buddy, Tippett, Goodes
or
Roughead, Hale, Gunston
or
Vickery, Riewoldt, Griffiths,

Almost every side plays 2 key forwards and a 2nd ruck forward. Hell even Freo had taberner, clarke and pav

The only difference for us is that all 3 would be guns

The complication comes should we push Gov forward and we still need Lycett. Then the 4 talls gets awkward as we lose a lot of run. It would require Darling into the midfield.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

People pretending Darling is a genuine KPF that takes pack marks or is a defensive liability. When in reality Darling has offered us more in terms of defensive efforts than the likes of LeCras and Hill.

Say we play Mackenzie, Barrass in defense next year and then we play Kennedy, McGovern, Darling in the forward line and then we play 2 rucks. We're essentially playing one tall target more. But only if we accept that Darling is somehow a normal tall and thus a liability. Either way you play McGovern deepest as he's the strongest pack mark and most accurate set shot of the three, Darling off the flank where he can use his pace to cover lots of ground quickly dragging defenders all over the shop and get Kennedy up the ground more as his tank is bigger.

If that is too top heavy then so be it. We try McGovern as a pinch hitter, the only issue is Naitanui and his fitness. If McGovern can pinch hit for 20% of the ruck contests and Naitanui can take the other 80% then we'd drop a second ruck all together.

 

[Hardhat11]

My thinking could be he drops some weight and loses those tuck shop arms and plays high half forward and some midfield role.....

I honestly think he will be genuine utility who can swing between three or four spots

Does he need a settled spot?

I don't think we can fit brown, Mackenzie, McGovern darling Kennedy Schofield in our side

One has to go or not play if they were all available ...I'm wonder have all those guys ever played in one team ...any stats heads out there want to look for it ...go for it

 

[Xsess]

Talk of a forward line consisting of Kennedy, Darling, Lecras and McGovern must be tempered with caution. Its actually possible to lose efficiency going forward, if you have too many marking targets etc. Plus McGovern is an elite defender and good defence always beats good offense. Reminds me of back in the olden days when the Big V rolled out Lockett, Dunstall and God in the same forward line....and you guessed it - those sons of bitches inflicted a grievous bodily harm on WA. I mention this only because it was FKING AWESOME!!

 

[kaiserchief13]

I think Brown should be traded at end of year. What's his contract situation like?

 

[Jiggyman]

When are Brown, EMac, Schofield and McGovern all going to be fit at the same time? EMac and Schofield should play tight while McGovern stays loose, picking up 3rd talls or rotating with Schoey if need be. Brown's the unlucky one.

McGovern just offers so much more down back in the context of how we generate scoring shots. His intercept and rebound is an integral cog, and throwing him forward when we already have 2 incredibly mobile, strong key forwards and a resting ruck isn't viable. His kick is lovely and will just become more of a weapon in seasons to come.

With a backline of Schoey, McGovern, EMac, Hurn, Wellingham, Sheppard, Ellis and Rosa rotating, we have a perfect balance of height and speed.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

When are Brown, EMac, Schofield and McGovern all going to be fit at the same time? EMac and Schofield should play tight while McGovern stays loose, picking up 3rd talls or rotating with Schoey if need be. Brown's the unlucky one.

McGovern just offers so much more down back in the context of how we generate scoring shots. His intercept and rebound is an integral cog, and throwing him forward when we already have 2 incredibly mobile, strong key forwards and a resting ruck isn't viable. His kick is lovely and will just become more of a weapon in seasons to come.

With a backline of Schoey, McGovern, EMac, Hurn, Wellingham, Sheppard, Ellis and Rosa rotating, we have a perfect balance of height and speed.

Simmo stated that McGovern's preferred position is being the resting ruck

I'd agree the 4 talls wouldn't work - but with the three of them (leaving out Lycett) it would be great.

We could then utilise McGovern's marking and kicking around the entire ground when he rucks.

We have Hurn, Sheppard, Wellingham, Ellis, Butler who are all excellent kicks. Not to mention Schofield who has vastly improved as well.

 

[paran]

People pretending Darling is a genuine KPF that takes pack marks or is a defensive liability. When in reality Darling has offered us more in terms of defensive efforts than the likes of LeCras and Hill.

Say we play Mackenzie, Barrass in defense next year and then we play Kennedy, McGovern, Darling in the forward line and then we play 2 rucks. We're essentially playing one tall target more. But only if we accept that Darling is somehow a normal tall and thus a liability. Either way you play McGovern deepest as he's the strongest pack mark and most accurate set shot of the three, Darling off the flank where he can use his pace to cover lots of ground quickly dragging defenders all over the shop and get Kennedy up the ground more as his tank is bigger.

If that is too top heavy then so be it. We try McGovern as a pinch hitter, the only issue is Naitanui and his fitness. If McGovern can pinch hit for 20% of the ruck contests and Naitanui can take the other 80% then we'd drop a second ruck all together.

Darling is best as a medium forward running up the wings and out marking / muscling HBF's. Shooter and JK as CHF / FF is pretty interchangeable. I think Shooter is the better CHF simply from his marking, vision and I50 delivery, but they're both ace. Three of EMac/Brown/Schoey/Barrass is fine down back as well. Key is one of them being able to play as a HBF.

 

[Eaglespur]

I think Brown should be traded at end of year. What's his contract situation like?

Has no trade value anymore, 27 two knee reco's... who would put anything half decent up ?

 

[Jiggyman]

Simmo stated that McGovern's preferred position is being the resting ruck

I'd agree the 4 talls wouldn't work - but with the three of them (leaving out Lycett) it would be great.

We could then utilise McGovern's marking and kicking around the entire ground when he rucks.

We have Hurn, Sheppard, Wellingham, Ellis, Butler who are all excellent kicks. Not to mention Schofield who has vastly improved as well.

I'm not sure if Gov is quite that flexible, but if he develops his engine further he definitely has the tools to move through the middle ala Roughead. I just think the way we break down attacks at the D50 arc and around the square and slingshot back up the ground has a lot to do with McGovern, making it necessary to select a 2nd ruck each week. He's playing so far above his age and experience it's remarkable, taking the game on every chance he gets. Starting to feel that Glass-like aura of intelligence and assuredness in contests, with a deadly attacking edge.

We get more out of a player that can defend and create scoring opportunities in the same back-half role than one that might take a few grabs a game in contention with Kennedy and Darling, already fantastic players adapted to a season of success with a complicated game-plan. By all means, swing him forward for a stint if we desperately need another option, but the importance of his role right now can't be understated. If it ain't broke, don't fix it

 

[greennick]

Who knows if Brown and Emac will be ready round 1 next year? Brown may do some WAFL time if there isnt a spot for him. Let's just enjoy the Gov's dominance for this year.

Emac should be ready, last I spoke to him he's progressing well.

 

[Avalor]

On the AFL website today, they say stop the Gov, you stop the Eagles. Melbourne tried it last round ... that did not pan out too well.

 

[8732watitdo]

I would like to see how he goes up forward next year when we get Emac and Brown back in the side, but seeing how well he has adapted this season shows me he could play wherever we need him.