Opinion Where will Patrick Dangerfield rank amongst the greats?

[Xtreme]

Danger is 35 and still dominating. They're not in the same ballpark. One had a great run for a few years. The other’s been elite for nearly 20.

Wrong

Dangerfirld is a magician that disappears frequently. He'd have multiple brownlows, premierships and NS medals if he was as good as thr hype.

 

[PhatBoy]

It's disrespectful towards Smith considering he had a better game based on facts panel of votes and stats.
idk why you are saying Danger should have won are u trying to up Danger's achievements? by adding a Norm Smith too his resume the fact is he didn't get it Smith deserved you need to accept it.

I don’t really have a dog in the fight, I couldn’t care less. I love Danger, I loved what Smith brought to our club during his time there, I loved what he brought to that grand final.

My own favourite player of all time probably had a bigger impact than either (Hawkins) during the very limited period when it was actually there to be won, kicking two goals in the first ten minutes from the ruck and another when the margin was still theoretically retrievable for Sydney and he didn’t even poll a vote.

Smith to me played an excellent game but guys kicking goals tend to get a lot more immediate plaudits than guys assisting them unless it is blockbusting obvious (like last night) who is doing the setting up.

If you are a cats fan and you’re paying specific attention to everyone on the ground and what they’re doing, I tended to think Dangerfield had the better game and that stat line was imperious.

 

[Aura]

Im biased against who? Other geelong players?

People watching from the stands from a distance dont see all the inside work. Ask geelong fans who have watched the game multiple times. Nearly all say danger.

I think there’s an underlying insecurity among our supporters when it comes to the Dusty vs. Dangerfield debate, and it largely stems from the one medal Dangerfield was never able to win. While I agree he was best on ground in the 2022 Grand Final, that missing accolade still stands out, even for a Brownlow Medallist and eight-time All Australian. Both players have outstanding résumés, but if we’re talking finals, I’d take Dusty. Over the course of a home-and-away season and across an entire career, I’d lean towards Dangerfield. I think most logical people would, but yeah, biases.

If Dangerfield had played for Carlton and Dusty for Essendon all these years, no one would be picking Dusty—because let’s be honest, no one’s handing out praise for winning elimination finals at the MCG.

Depending on your stance, there’s the pretty undeniable fact that we’ve underachieved over the last decade with a stacked list and constant top-four finishes, while Richmond punched above their weight and actually delivered. That alone says everything you need to know about where the insecurity comes from.

 

[PhatBoy]

Wrong

Dangerfirld is a magician that disappears frequently. He'd have multiple brownlows, premierships and NS medals if he was as good as thr hype.

Except he doesn’t, does he.

Even in all the so called finals disappearing acts he’s had, there’s been at best, two.

The Richmond grand final, and a semi final - which we won - where he had 18 disposals. He had a game against the Tigers in 2017 where he sprayed the ball a tonne but even in that one he was one of the few Cats who actually won the ball and was cracking in - he had over 30 touches, half of them contested.

The rest he’s had at least 20 touches aside from the shortened quarter games - where in one game he had 19 touches and 4 goals
In the other he had 17 and 3 goal assists.

You’d need a NASA super computer to calculate the volume of shit posts you make with no facts to back them up mate. Make an effort, just once, to use a modicum of accuracy with what you say.

 

[Mr Meow]

If the mods have a problem with me, then they'll let me know in regards to "clogging up the thread".

Well until then, we can talk about what games Dangerfield continues to destroy well into his 30s, including the entire 2022 finals series, 2024 QF and massive 2025 games at the G. Forward or midfield.

 

[Mr Meow]

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Lunchtime thoughts on this game?

 

[Fadge]

I don’t really have a dog in the fight, I couldn’t care less. I love Danger, I loved what Smith brought to our club during his time there, I loved what he brought to that grand final.

My own favourite player of all time probably had a bigger impact than either (Hawkins) during the very limited period when it was actually there to be won, kicking two goals in the first ten minutes from the ruck and another when the margin was still theoretically retrievable for Sydney and he didn’t even poll a vote.

Smith to me played an excellent game but guys kicking goals tend to get a lot more immediate plaudits than guys assisting them unless it is blockbusting obvious (like last night) who is doing the setting up.

If you are a cats fan and you’re paying specific attention to everyone on the ground and what they’re doing, I tended to think Dangerfield had the better game and that stat line was imperious.

As a neutral, I thought Selwood and Hawkins were clearly the two best and most influential players on the ground to half time, and then the game was effectively over.

Dangerfield and Smith then overtook both players in the second half through sheer weight of numbers, and the Normy could have been awarded to either of them, and noone would have blinked an eyelid.

 

[Daka]

I don’t really have a dog in the fight, I couldn’t care less. I love Danger, I loved what Smith brought to our club during his time there, I loved what he brought to that grand final.

My own favourite player of all time probably had a bigger impact than either (Hawkins) during the very limited period when it was actually there to be won, kicking two goals in the first ten minutes from the ruck and another when the margin was still theoretically retrievable for Sydney and he didn’t even poll a vote.

Smith to me played an excellent game but guys kicking goals tend to get a lot more immediate plaudits than guys assisting them unless it is blockbusting obvious (like last night) who is doing the setting up.

If you are a cats fan and you’re paying specific attention to everyone on the ground and what they’re doing, I tended to think Dangerfield had the better game and that stat line was imperious.

Danger no doubt had a great team performance with the GA's. but kicking goals has always been rated above it and I am still going to disagree with you on Danger having a better game than Smith.

Can you please explain to me what tended to think Dangerfield had a better game? I am not dissmissing the fact that was close but thought Smith was slightly better. people like to throw around robbery a lot with these things... I just don't see how anyone can come to that conclusion not saying you at all think this but I've heard ppl say it.

Also even though you didn't mention can you explain why Houli was also better than Dusty in 2017?
because I can explain quite quickly how Dusty was better.

 

[Fadge]

Danger no doubt had a great team performance with the GA's. but kicking goals has always been rated above it and I am still going to disagree with you on Danger having a better game than Smith.

Can you please explain to me what tended to think Dangerfield had a better game? I am not dissmissing the fact that was close but thought Smith was slightly better. people like to throw around robbery a lot with these things... I just don't see how anyone can come to that conclusion not saying you at all think this but I've heard ppl say it.

Also even though you didn't mention can you explain why Houli was also better than Dusty in 2017?
because I can explain quite quickly how Dusty was better.

In the 2017 Grand Final, Rance was the best and most influential player on the ground to half time, followed by Houli. Dusty wasn't even in the picture.

Once Richmond got on top, Rance went out of the picture, whilst Houli continued his great game.

It was only in the last 5 to 10 minutes of the game that I thought Martin might be in the mix for the Normy, but thought Houli was more deserving for his 4 quarter effort, particularly when the game was on the line in the first half.

I thought Martin capitalised from Richmond being on top; it wasn't Martin who got Richmond on top (unlike 2020, when he was clearly the best and most influential player on the ground).

 

[PhatBoy]

Danger no doubt had a great team performance with the GA's. but kicking goals has always been rated above it and I am still going to disagree with you on Danger having a better game than Smith.

Can you please explain to me what tended to think Dangerfield had a better game? I am not dissmissing the fact that was close but thought Smith was slightly better. people like to throw around robbery a lot with these things... I just don't see how anyone can come to that conclusion not saying you at all think this but I've heard ppl say it.

Also even though you didn't mention can you explain why Houli was also better than Dusty in 2017?
because I can explain quite quickly how Dusty was better.

I’ve said numerous times about the 2017 game that at the time I thought Houli kept you in the game at a time when you were in huge danger of losing it altogether. Only a defender in that circumstance can really do that, and he stood up and did it. When it was there to be won, Martin did it. That was a game I thought Martin even though many people disagree, deserved the award as his class was the difference.

The game against the Giants even though I’m sure someone will find some rating system that suggests it was the greatest performance ever or whatever, I thought it was a fairly inconsequential performance, relative to the other two. He kicked a couple of goals when the game was up for grabs. Riewoldt kicked 3 when it was still theoretically a contest, finished with 5 and an assist, 3 contested marks.

That’s going to get overlooked compared to 22/4 I guess but in a period where we hadn’t hit full Martin overload it felt like a bit of a popularity award that one. The third one he was clearly once more the difference.

 

[Daka]

In the 2017 Grand Final, Rance was the best and most influential player on the ground to half time, followed by Houli. Dusty wasn't even in the picture.

Once Richmond got on top, Rance went out of the picture, whilst Houli continued his great game.

It was only in the last 5 to 10 minutes of the game that I thought Martin might be in the mix for the Normy, but thought Houli was more deserving for his 4 quarter effort, particularly when the game was on the line in the first half.

I thought Martin capitalised from Richmond being on top; it wasn't Martin who got Richmond on top (unlike 2020, when he was clearly the best and most influential player on the ground).

Rance was great but for most of the game, the ball stopped going down their. I don't anyone had him in the votes you can't make a case for him even though he didn't really lose a contest.

Martin was their the whole game if you look at the tape he got us going in and set up some of our early goals, he kicked a goal in 1st half and kicked goal late.
22 contested possesions
Also he goal assisted Houli's goal beating a 1 v 2.

The amount of planning that would have went to stopping Dusty that day would have been astronomical
for you to say Dusty was never really in the picture, I suggest you need re-watch the game.

But in saying that if Houli won and got the nod, I would accepted it not fought it.

 

[Aura]

In the 2017 Grand Final, Rance was the best and most influential player on the ground to half time, followed by Houli. Dusty wasn't even in the picture.

Once Richmond got on top, Rance went out of the picture, whilst Houli continued his great game.

It was only in the last 5 to 10 minutes of the game that I thought Martin might be in the mix for the Normy, but thought Houli was more deserving for his 4 quarter effort, particularly when the game was on the line in the first half.

I thought Martin capitalised from Richmond being on top; it wasn't Martin who got Richmond on top (unlike 2020, when he was clearly the best and most influential player on the ground).

**** he reamed us that day. Lost Vlaustin, a great lead in shortened quarters and he single handedly destroyed us. There are 20 year olds out there who’ll tell their grandkids about the bloke someday.

Dusty is eternal like Coventry

 

[Lunchtime]

Lunchtime thoughts on this game?

Yeah I've said on other threads that Dangerfield played well.

 

[Mr Meow]

Danger no doubt had a great team performance with the GA's. but kicking goals has always been rated above it and I am still going to disagree with you on Danger having a better game than Smith.

Can you please explain to me what tended to think Dangerfield had a better game? I am not dissmissing the fact that was close but thought Smith was slightly better. people like to throw around robbery a lot with these things... I just don't see how anyone can come to that conclusion not saying you at all think this but I've heard ppl say it.

Also even though you didn't mention can you explain why Houli was also better than Dusty in 2017?
because I can explain quite quickly how Dusty was better.

Dangerfield was punished for being incredibly unselfish. There is no doubt that if he had 2 goals and 4 goal assists instead of 0 and 6, he'd have received the Norm Smith.

It's a poor way to assess midfielder impact because setting up an easy goal is just as effective. Combined goals/goal assists is a superior measure and Dangerfield had 6 like Martin did in the 2019 GF. Except Dangerfield did it at the coal face, evidenced by stacks more clearances and contested possessions than Martin's 2019 GF.

There is only one final Martin did play at the same level as Dangerfield's 2022 GF and that was the 2020 GF.

 

[Mr Meow]

Yeah I've said on other threads that Dangerfield played well.

You're better with stats than me.

Can you do:

Dangerfield's averages in last 5 matches at the MCG in front of probably 70k+ average crowds (as a 34-35 year old)?

Dangerfield's averages in his last 5 finals (as a 32-34 year old)?

 

[Lunchtime]

You're better with stats than me.

Can you do:

Dangerfield's averages in last 5 matches at the MCG in front of probably 70k+ average crowds (as a 34-35 year old)?

Dangerfield's averages in his last 5 finals (as a 32-34 year old)?

I'm having dinner - party pies. I'll get back to you.

And no i doubt I'm better with stats than you.

 

[Daka]

was up for grabs. Riewoldt kicked 3 when it was still theoretically a contest, finished with 5 and an assist, 3 contested marks

Come on man... Jack was not better than Dusty, I don't think you can argue 2 of the Norm Smiths at all.
It's interesting talking to you guys you obviously seeing the game far different to me.

Phil Davis was hindered that day, very clear to see he always got the better of Jack Riewoldt.
I think GWS defence was really poor that day Corr, Haynes and even a young Sam Taylor mistakes galore, really Jack benefited from what happened up the field, Jack has played a lot better games and kicked far less goals.

 

[Catsace]

I wonder when they're going to start listening to all the BigFooty experts who have been telling us for years that they're all too old and too slow?

Pendles just keeps on keeping on. I mean, he was drafted the year BEFORE Selwood, and is now playing his third season after Joel's retirement after 350+ games. He must be a monty to break the all time games record.

 

[Mr Meow]

Pendles just keeps on keeping on. I mean, he was drafted the year BEFORE Selwood, and is now playing his third season after Joel's retirement after 350+ games. He must be a monty to break the all time games record.

It's almost certain with Dangerfield's body type that he couldn't go as long as Pendlebury. But then I thought his explosiveness would already be gone by now and he'd have been moving like Selwood 2022.

I wonder how long Dangerfield actually has left? I suspect it may be those hammies again and it'll be quite sudden, right after he was still looking great.

I'd love to think he makes it to 2027 but next year being his last is probably more realistic?

 

[Wojcinski]

I wonder when they're going to start listening to all the BigFooty experts who have been telling us for years that they're all too old and too slow?

Ackshually it's better to be young & shit instead of old & good. Checkmate athiests

 

[Daka]

Dangerfield was punished for being incredibly unselfish. There is no doubt that if he had 2 goals and 4 goal assists instead of 0 and 6, he'd have received the Norm Smith.

That may be true but it's harder kicking the goal than than just giving it off.
goal assist is a great team and definitely a trait of all the great players, Dusty is known for it as well. but you know what's better than a GA? kicking yourself and some of Dusty's goals are freakish in GF's none more better Dusty shrugging Danger off himself and snapping it from the impossible angle.

 

[Mr Meow]

That may be true but it's harder kicking the goal than than just giving it off.
goal assist is a great team and definitely a trait of all the great players, Dusty is known for it as well. but you know what's better than a GA? kicking yourself and some of Dusty's goals are freakish in GF's none more better Dusty shrugging Danger off himself and snapping it from the impossible angle.

The game was well and truly dead by then.

Dangerfield smashing through packs of 5 or more players time after time to set up team mates for goals each and every quarter was every bit as good as what Dusty did in 2020. He was winning 20/80s let alone 50/50s. And he's still doing that stuff now. It felt like Martin's last game as a contested beast was that 2020 GF. The way he played as a forward even in his decent 2023 season was more as a crafty outside player.

 

[Sttew]

The 72nd thread to be derailed by insecure Tiger posters turning it into a Dusty thread.

 

[PhatBoy]

Come on man... Jack was not better than Dusty, I don't think you can argue 2 of the Norm Smiths at all.
It's interesting talking to you guys you obviously seeing the game far different to me.

Phil Davis was hindered that day, very clear to see he always got the better of Jack Riewoldt.
I think GWS defence was really poor that day Corr, Haynes and even a young Sam Taylor mistakes galore, really Jack benefited from what happened up the field, Jack has played a lot better games and kicked far less goals.

So what should he have done, not kicked the goals because his opponent was sub-par?

When did that become the criteria for judgement? Every single player from GWS dialled it in but I don’t see any Tigers fans saying Martin just picked up cheap possessions.

 

[Ralll]

Yep, same line as Voss, Buckley and Ruccutio.
Just behind Dusty...(Am I doing this right?)