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Pretty much agree. My expectation is bottom 6 but not bottom 2. Some factors should help us improve on 2020 but a lot of those factors are common to other clubs and other clubs have greater scope for improvement within their lists. We might overtake a couple sides but I reckon Swans will jump over us. They have the better developing list, courtesy of academy gifts. So I reckon 12-16 is about right. No Sicily all year will hurt and I just can’t see us playing finals with the key position stocks we have.I expect we will finish in the bottom six. We have far too many mediocre players that are likely to get games.
I think finishing bottom four, again, is a real chance if we play the same rubbish game plan. IMO most of our improvement will come from simply changing that.
At the end of the day I'm not too fussed given it's a bumper draft, and so long as we get a good look at guys like DGB, Finn, Greaves, Jeka, Jiath, Downie, Morris, Mitchell, Brockman. They will generate some interest and excitement.
To those that have us 14 - 18 (give or take):
When do you see us next challenging for a flag?
Pretty much agree. My expectation is bottom 6 but not bottom 2. Some factors should help us improve on 2020 but a lot of those factors are common to other clubs and other clubs have greater scope for improvement within their lists. We might overtake a couple sides but I reckon Swans will jump over us. They have the better developing list, courtesy of academy gifts. So I reckon 12-16 is about right. No Sicily all year will hurt and I just can’t see us playing finals with the key position stocks we have.
To those that have us 14 - 18 (give or take):
When do you see us next challenging for a flag?
To those that have us 14 - 18 (give or take):
When do you see us next challenging for a flag?
Agree it’s hard to say as it requires projection on how players - including those like DGB and Downie who have never even played a game - develop. If for example each of DGB, Day, Finn, Worpel, Downie, Scrimshaw and a couple others developed at the best possible rate and our best experienced players stayed fit, a Port Adelaide or Brisbane like turnaround would be possible. If a few of those guys don’t develop well, we could be stuttering mid to lower ladder for a few years. So it really depends on how well we have drafted and how well we develop those players, both of which is basically guesswork right now. Ability to land a free agent or two like Merrett will make a difference too.To those that have us 14 - 18 (give or take):
When do you see us next challenging for a flag?
To those that have us 14 - 18 (give or take):
When do you see us next challenging for a flag?
Yeh, Sicily back + Merrett; DGB killing it as a 3rd Forward.Sicily out will really hurt us.
Flag in 2022 though.
Fair bit of realism going on in the poll I see, thought we might see some more pie in the sky type stuff.
I think the ladder is generally shaped by 3 things. Firstly the fixture, secondly injuries to key players and thirdly winning or losing tight games early on in the season. If we are basing this purely on the talent on our list I think we're in the lower part of the ladder with only Crows, North, Essendon below us, and maybe on a par with Gold Coast...Most people on this board aren't unrealistic, they're just not as down on as many aspects of Hawthorn as you are. You've got to find positives, because if everything is terrible then there's no sense of investment.
I actually think sans hub, the games against richmond and brisbane were more indicative of our true standing in 2020 than the rest of the season. For some reason we didn't cope well with the hub diversion from routine.