The problem with the suns' jumper isn't that it has a logo on it, it's that the logo is bland and corporate looking. It looks too much like the Packers' logo and it kinda looks like a surf brand. I know it's the suns but they're still a football team.You could mount an argument that GC's jumper is traditional. It has a logo front and centre, same as Carlton, (and also Brisbane/Fitzroy and West Coast). And it has stripes (sort of), which if memory serves, 1 or 2 other clubs do.