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How are Adelaide not in the same position as WC? Is it just a blip from recent drama?
Which clubs are really the big four of the AFL?
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Carlton fans have been the most disrespected of all by their club admin.
If you have a sub 80% season, you are subjecting your fans to purgatory
Hats off to these people
Have a look at carltons 21st century. 9 times. there was probably a total of 4 seasons in the previous 100 years. Fitzroy just 4 times in their last 20 years
Generation has been used in this thread a lot. This is a generation
If you have a sub 80% season, you are subjecting your fans to purgatory
Hats off to these people
Have a look at carltons 21st century. 9 times. there was probably a total of 4 seasons in the previous 100 years. Fitzroy just 4 times in their last 20 years
Generation has been used in this thread a lot. This is a generation
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Adelaide (The city) isn't as big or wealthy as Perth, the Crows haven't been as successful as the Eagles, for years the SANFL has stolen too much money from them and they've been run by morons would be the main reasons.
Simples...
Revenue for 2019 - $76.2m
Net Surplus - $5.2m
Net Assets - $56.2m
Cash and equivalents - $28.2m
Hawthorn Foundation - $20m (for the Kennedy Community Centre development)
2019 membership - 84,000 (65,000 on automatic roll overs)
Haven’t made a financial loss since 1997, have had 13 years of successive membership records and have taken the lowest dividend from the afl in every season since 2006
They also own the freehold on the Dingley land parcel, Waverley Gardens, 50 per cent of the Caroline Springs hotel and function centre and the Waverley Park administration centre, gymnasium and shops which like the AFL can probably be borrowed against if things got real (18-24 months)
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Not entirely accuarate Carlton were higher drawing than Essendon 08 to 12. Pound for pound we are a higher rating club on TV as well.
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I will get it Hawkk
I think Carlton can bounce back. Richmond managed to after 30 years of failure. Carlton is only at the 20 year mark. However, if they don't manage to have a successful period on field in the next 10-20 years then I think they won't be able to bounce back.
Could I just bring it to everybody's attention that this "Big 4" list that everyone seems to be wanting to quote is merely something that has been dreamt up by Caroline Wilson. Of course she is going to put Richmond in it.
The Melbourne 1960s and Carlton 2020s comparison doesn’t stack up in my opinion.
Melbourne went without finals from 1965-1987 and lost their hold over the MCG to Richmond and North Melbourne.
Melbourne’s crowds yo-yoed dramatically in the 1940s and early 1950s (bookmarking their glory eras of the 1930s and 1950s)
Between 2001 and 2020 Carlton made the finals in 2009-11 and 2013 (and even managed to eek out finals wins in 2011 and 2013).
As bad as Carlton have been in the 21st century they have been much more competitive than the Melbourne of the 1970s and early 1980s
Another consideration is that the Melbourne and Hawthorn demographics basically cover each other. So in the time Melbourne missed the finals, Hawthorn won 6 **** and made 9 GF’s.
A good chunk of Hawthorn’s growth likely came at the expense of Melbourne (and vice versa). There is a good reason that the Melbourne Hawks was probably the best fit for a Victorian merger.
Not sure Carlton has a direct competitor for its success starved fan base
Melbourne went without finals from 1965-1987 and lost their hold over the MCG to Richmond and North Melbourne.
Melbourne’s crowds yo-yoed dramatically in the 1940s and early 1950s (bookmarking their glory eras of the 1930s and 1950s)
Between 2001 and 2020 Carlton made the finals in 2009-11 and 2013 (and even managed to eek out finals wins in 2011 and 2013).
As bad as Carlton have been in the 21st century they have been much more competitive than the Melbourne of the 1970s and early 1980s
Another consideration is that the Melbourne and Hawthorn demographics basically cover each other. So in the time Melbourne missed the finals, Hawthorn won 6 **** and made 9 GF’s.
A good chunk of Hawthorn’s growth likely came at the expense of Melbourne (and vice versa). There is a good reason that the Melbourne Hawks was probably the best fit for a Victorian merger.
Not sure Carlton has a direct competitor for its success starved fan base
So are you saying Richmond is not of Big 4? The Big 4 concept was not devised by Wilson. The concept has been around for years. Posts like this perpetuate Cat supporters persecution complex.
LOL....Gold
Facts please....WCE crowds 2019 turnover and memberships LOL. Lucky to top Essendon and Carlton.
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Based on what we've learned in the past 24 hours, it's self evident who the four are at this point in time.
Perhaps the whole discussion would be better served reframed as to which four are least likely to die.
Perhaps the whole discussion would be better served reframed as to which four are least likely to die.
Silence is GOLDEN..where you go..?
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Yes agree with that.
My post wasn't to have a dig at ess i replied to a post and stated that the reason why ess wasn't included due to all the dramas and millions that they were in debt. Now you say you have eroded it great but i guess not enough in cash reserves to weather the storm if the whole season didn't go through. That's it.
Oh you needed to have a dig lmao! You follow ess, after all, there has never been a club to self implode like the Essendon football club.
Don't go throwing out stones for no reason look at your own club which embarrassed itself like no other. No governance whatsoever.
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Quoting sport industry website "out of 3 million subscribers Collingwood was the most steamed team with 57.4 million minutes watched followed by west cost showed strong support in second place with 51.9 million minutes narrowly elcipsing Carlton at 51.8 million minutes streamed.
There will be a growing resentment of the ‘have nots’ before too long....while the ‘haves’ get their spending and lists hard capped to stop them from growing further and getting better, and the ‘middle pack’ strive to take that next step.
Can’t see that being palatable for very long.
Solution: If a club can’t afford to play at the highest level, they don’t HAVE to play at the highest level. State based competitions could really benefit from the presence of ‘big fish’ in a smaller pond and the existing supporter base will get even more access to their club as they won’t need to travel interstate.
Can’t see that being palatable for very long.
Solution: If a club can’t afford to play at the highest level, they don’t HAVE to play at the highest level. State based competitions could really benefit from the presence of ‘big fish’ in a smaller pond and the existing supporter base will get even more access to their club as they won’t need to travel interstate.
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I can't imagine any of the 18 clubs were very happy about the receivership model.
14/18 clubs will now have multimillion dollar debts with an annual interest rate of 3.3%.
Apparently the agreement between the AFL and the clubs also specifies that the 4 "unassisted clubs" are not to use their financial position to gain competitive advantage.
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