Kade Simpson would not be in the top 50 players of the 2000s. He might not even make the top 100. Is he in Carlton's best 5 ahead of Judd, Fev, Murphy etc? He will likely take the mantle of 'biggest loser' next season but he has still played in over 100 wins and 6 finals. There are plenty of current players who have cracked 100 without playing a single final, Rockliff and Dunn will play 200 before they play one.Kade Simpson is an absolute gun and one Carlton's best players for nearly 2 decades but will be remembered as the player with the most lossess in AFL/VFL history.
I used to love brodders and Bowen growing up. Good picks.The obvious ones are guys like Matthew Richardson, Matthew Pavlich, Danny Frawley, Brendan Fevola, Shane Crawford (until his last season), Paul Roos, Patrick Cripps, but they aren’t underrated, most people Universally accept they’re superstars and many really undervalue the other guys in the team.
Personally I felt Paul Broderick and Joel Bowden were phenomenal players for Richmond.
Broderick was tough as nails, most penetrating handball in our team, always had time and space.
Joel Bowden is arguably the smartest footballer to ever play the game, he knew the rules inside out and exploited them on numerous occasions, this guy single handedly won us games of football. Besides his smarts, he was a natural goal kicker, who we played as an undersized full back
He kicked goals from 60 off one step, sold candy to robert harvey so ruthlessly, that Harvey’s kids still had leftovers for Halloween last year.
But yeah, they’re players for us that will never get a mention, but out and our superstars.
Who else pops to mind?
He had some serious weaknesses. Not great at getting thr Hard ball. Went missing. Was reduced to a flanker role due to his weaknesses.Bryce Gibbs was a very good player with a sublime kick and no real weaknesses but was always a bit of a whipping boy because he never turned into the player Carlton were hoping for. When he was at his peak Carlton were a consistent finals side. Not his fault the rest of the list was trash but he always seemed to cop it unfairly.
You mean 2 times AA Centre Half Back in an era when there were a lot of great Centre Half Forwards, and was only 188cm. People have a jaundiced view of Bowden due to having the ability to implement Terry Wallaces keepings off game plan, but for most of his career he was a gun.Joel Bowden was severely overrated due to Dream Team.
Huge chipscab with limited hurt factor.
Funny, Crawf came into my head when I started reading this thread but thought, nah he's rated. But you're right - he is considered a rung below them for no good reason. He was a gun.Shane Crawford.
Was the equal of Voss/hird/Buckley, but always regarded as a rung below
And he was played out of position for yearsBryce Gibbs was a very good player with a sublime kick and no real weaknesses but was always a bit of a whipping boy because he never turned into the player Carlton were hoping for. When he was at his peak Carlton were a consistent finals side. Not his fault the rest of the list was trash but he always seemed to cop it unfairly.
Pretty much proves my point. Despite being average defensively, and doing little to impact the game he was adulated.You mean 2 times AA Centre Half Back in an era when there were a lot of great Centre Half Forwards, and was only 188cm. People have a jaundiced view of Bowden due to having the ability to implement Terry Wallaces keepings off game plan, but for most of his career he was a gun.
Yeah, a great player who seems to get overlooked. Easily in the same company as GAJ, GAS Lethal, Carey etc. Is a player of the past who without doubt would be an absolute gun if he played today.Bob Skilton, geez if only he’d played in some grand finals and received a Norm Smith *, or two. He’d be a legend ....
* Norm Smith’s only evolved in 1979.
Brent Stanton is who came to mind for me. IMO if he had been drafted to one of the successful teams like Geelong, Hawthorn or Sydney, he would be rated much higher as a player.Since 2004 perhaps the criminally under-rated is Brent Stanton. For all the plaudits Jobe Watson got in his time, Stanton was arguably much more consistent.
So he was gifted his 2x AA Centre Half Backs because he was a loose chip scab, not because he played on and matched Tredrea, Lucas, Brown etc and was deemed good enough by his peers to be named the best CHB in the league twice. He also kicked 175 goals, not bad for a bloke that played most of his football as a backman. Bowden was in our best 4 players easily for most of his career, behind Richo, Knights and Campbell (just). He was a smart enough to rack up possessions when he became a half back (not CHB), but he was an excellent user of the ball so why not get the ball in his hands.Pretty much proves my point. Despite being average defensively, and doing little to impact the game he was adulated.
This occurred because his ascension came at a time when statistics were starting to be used possesively, but lacked the nuance to properly show a players true wares, so he had a point of difference in his inflated possession stats in contrast to pure stoppers who were by definition better players.
No one regards Brendan Goddard’s last few seasons as an ineffective loose half-back as elite (quite the opposite), so why the revisionism with Bowden?
The bloke was unlucky not to be able to play his best position as a clever medium forward, but this doesn’t alter the discourse.