List Mgmt. Which free agent should we be targeting?

[Knightmare]

How good is Mullet defensively?

Adequate. It's not a strength as more a rebounder but still fine none the less.

You need to start wearing your joke sensor.

You may not but I rate Seedsman highly still. Outside of Varcoe who we just added, Seedsman is our next best run and carry player. I'm still really high on him as a long term player, regardless of whether he is deemed best 22 this year or not. He's a really good talent with his daring run and carry and willingness to take on the game, but then relative willingness to go long and some pretty good 1v1 ability to go with it which doesn't get spoken about/noticed enough about him.

 

[Apex36]

Adequate. It's not a strength as more a rebounder but still fine none the less.



You may not but I rate Seedsman highly still. Outside of Varcoe who we just added, Seedsman is our next best run and carry player. I'm still really high on him as a long term player, regardless of whether he is deemed best 22 this year or not. He's a really good talent with his daring run and carry and willingness to take on the game, but then relative willingness to go long and some pretty good 1v1 ability to go with it which doesn't get spoken about/noticed enough about him.

What are you talking about? I never said I didn't rate Seedsman. I love him. But saying that there's no one better than him was clearly a joke, and I'm not sure why you felt the need to give such a serious answer.

Lighten up dude!

 

[Lefthanded]

James stewart also??

Paul Buhagiar on the next page has mentioned it even before I have. But James Stewart is another who will also this year be contesting at GWS for one of those forward positions.

Even without Patton and Boyd elsewhere there are just so many key forward options and AFL quality key forwards at that.


Cameron McCarthy is more talented/more dominant than Stewart, but with Stewart another year or two more advanced than McCarthy and it's no sure thing McCarthy gets games when there are more experienced key forwards on that same team also looking for minutes. So that whole dynamic will be really interesting to watch, but with Patton also coming back at seasons end just with the sheer quantity of AFL quality key forwards on that team, getting one of them if the price is right, is definitely very possible. And McCarthy of that collection for me feels like a less pricey option as a still developing player, but at the same time he may also be as good as any of them other than probably Jeremy Cameron which is something else to watch for if he continues on with and builds on from his dominant play in NAB 1.

Hopefully a case of great minds think alike as I saw the report on GWS v Ess and thought of Stewart too. Checked and his contract apparently expires end of 2016 so at least at this stage he seems the most gettable. Would be ironic to end up with him considering we could have gotten him via f/s (would have cost us roughly the pick we used on Jackson Ramsay). You would think Cameron & Tomlinson are clear first two choices with Stewart & McCarthy fighting for the 3rd spot when available. Stewart a year older (or at least a draft year ahead) but both seem light for their height and McCarthy has edge in talent based on draft position and contract status.

 

[Knightmare]

Hopefully a case of great minds think alike as I saw the report on GWS v Ess and thought of Stewart too. Checked and his contract apparently expires end of 2016 so at least at this stage he seems the most gettable. Would be ironic to end up with him considering we could have gotten him via f/s (would have cost us roughly the pick we used on Jackson Ramsay). You would think Cameron & Tomlinson are clear first two choices with Stewart & McCarthy fighting for the 3rd spot when available. Stewart a year older (or at least a draft year ahead) but both seem light for their height and McCarthy has edge in talent based on draft position and contract status.

McCarthy looks good enough to become GWS' second best key forward after Cameron. He has through NAB 1+2 looked like GWS' best (as in best player on the list and best key forward based purely on his impact in those two games), so great signs for his future given he is only in his second season having not had a preseason. He showed me anyway that he is in a completely different league to Stewart and doing that as a younger guy again.

Stewart would be gettable and the most gettable of those GWS forward but while he'll continue to improve he doesn't project to become the elite forward Cameron, McCarthy and Patton in my view all project, injuries permitting to become, with Tomlinson another who in his own right is terrific but for me not as good given he doesn't provide meaningful scoreboard impact (8 goals last year from 19 games, productive as he otherwise is).

McCarthy for me has the upside of a Taylor Walker or Jack Riewoldt so if you want him you'd have to go this offseason or otherwise probably Patton some time after that if he falls back in the rotation would be the guy to go after, and he is if his knees hold up is a guy you can really build around as that go to forward as a 198cm guy with strong, strong hands overhead but then really nimble movement with his ability to take small steps to change direction and move usually for a tall, which even with the knee I feel shouldn't be greatly effected as his movement feels very much down to technique more than a specific athletic superiority.

 

[TradeDraft]

Make a Big Play for Matt Suckling

 

[rustyg70]

Make a Big Play for Matt Suckling

Your meltdowns after a loss are laughable TD.
We were missing a few of players from our backline today that can use the ball well.
You really need to settle down mate.
It was only a pre season game.

 

[Knightmare]

Make a Big Play for Matt Suckling

That's why I mentioned Aaron Mullett and Arryn Siposs earlier in the week as some guys who can kick.

As mentioned in the postgame thread the thing is just moving most of those bad kicks out of our AFL squad and bringing in better kicks from those we already have on our list.

 

[TradeDraft]

Your meltdowns after a loss are laughable TD.
We were missing a few of players from our backline today that can use the ball well.
You really need to settle down mate.
It was only a pre season game.

Even missing a Few Players. At times we used the Ball was Shit.

Missing Targets and the same old Long Bomb into the Forward Line with no Direction was Pathetic

 

[TradeDraft]

That's why I mentioned Aaron Mullett and Arryn Siposs earlier in the week as some guys who can kick.

As mentioned in the postgame thread the thing is just moving most of those bad kicks out of our AFL squad and bringing in better kicks from those we already have on our list.

There are 2 that would cost less and Have good kicks. So either or Both would not be bad at all

 

[Knightmare]

There are 2 that would cost less and Have good kicks. So either or Both would not be bad at all

If Mullett and Siposs can be had for late draft picks we're laughing.

Mullett offers largely the same as Suckling who has in recent seasons seemingly become a fans darling and Siposs could offer a similar level of play to Fasolo up forward (although with a few differences as a taller and slightly different player stylistically) which likewise would be a terrific outcome.

 

[TradeDraft]

If Mullett and Siposs can be had for late draft picks we're laughing.

Mullett offers largely the same as Suckling who has in recent seasons seemingly become a fans darling and Siposs could offer a similar level of play to Fasolo up forward (although with a few differences as a taller and slightly different player stylistically) which likewise would be a terrific outcome.

Well there not in the Teams best 22 at the Moment so they be worth Tracking this year

 

[Knightmare]

Well there not in the Teams best 22 at the Moment so they be worth Tracking this year

They're both injured till around the mid-season mark so they'll both have trouble establishing themselves as best 22 players - which would work to the advantage of other teams looking to trade for them, as they're highly unlikely to produce to career best levels missing so much time during the season.

 

[Laurie Holden]

Just pointing out that bucks cant coach with facts ..
Free to post on here or do i ask you you first ???????
Is that you Buckley ????

This is a thread about free agents, not about sacking Buckley.

Please post your hard 'facts' on http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/the-2015-buckley-coaching-megathread.1084957/

Post all you like. Just like I will when someone appears to be doing nothing but trolling.

 

[PepperFace]

They're both injured till around the mid-season mark so they'll both have trouble establishing themselves as best 22 players - which would work to the advantage of other teams looking to trade for them, as they're highly unlikely to produce to career best levels missing so much time during the season.

Siposs....you have to be pulling our leg. He barely gets more than 5 touches a game. He can kick a long accurate ball but our forward line has enough guys who underperform on a regular basis already

 

[TradeDraft]

Siposs....you have to be pulling our leg. He barely gets more than 5 touches a game. He can kick a long accurate ball but our forward line has enough guys who underperform on a regular basis already

Who said he would play Forward?

 

[PepperFace]

Who said he would play Forward?

He moves too slow to be played anywhere else imo

 

[Knightmare]

Siposs....you have to be pulling our leg. He barely gets more than 5 touches a game. He can kick a long accurate ball but our forward line has enough guys who underperform on a regular basis already

Siposs has struggled as a result of a lack of a clean run with injury and inconsistent positional usage being thrown around all over the place.

His inconsistencies shouldn't come as a surprise.

We've still got the second half of this year when he should be back to assess, but if the back end of the season is promising, then he'd be on my list to consider.

Mullett is higher priority as we have less precision kicks/outside runners in the back half and up the field, whereas up forward, our front half is in the most part outside of a second key forward looking pretty good. But none the less given Siposs' footskills he is someone I'm none the less watching for with interest.

 

[Matt_352]

Knightmare what do you think of Cameron Sutcliffe and how much would he be likely to cost. Like the idea re Siposs and Mullett. Also need to have a crack at pinching McCarthy and Treloar off GWS. Want a midfielder through free agency Jack Steven would cost nowhere near as much as Danger

 

[frizzle]

Siposs & Mullet? How exciting.
Hang on - No it's not.

 

[loki04]

Siposs & Mullet? How exciting.
Hang on - No it's not.

Let me hear you say - Dangerfield.

 

[Kappa]

Siposs & Mullet? How exciting.
Hang on - No it's not.

We've got a bunch of young top 10 draft picks lately, you need some good foot soldiers around them. One's who can kick the ball to a Collingwood player will dramatically improve our team

 

[Knightmare]

Knightmare what do you think of Cameron Sutcliffe and how much would he be likely to cost. Like the idea re Siposs and Mullett. Also need to have a crack at pinching McCarthy and Treloar off GWS. Want a midfielder through free agency Jack Steven would cost nowhere near as much as Danger

Siposs and Mullett because they have both missed time/are not clear best 22 player for their teams could be had pretty easily for a late draft pick presumably.

Sutcliffe would require an early second round pick, possibly more if he continues this year to elevate his play. He looks a fixture to be in Fremantle's best 22 again this season after a solid year in 2014.


Jack Steven will be terrific but I expect he'll have a big season and be not quite on Dangerfield money, but still near-on unaffordable as I'd class St Kilda's current franchise player. But like with Dangerfield, McCarthy and Treloar, Steven is another you'd obviously love to have as he is a serious difference maker and a really high level mid.

 

[TradeDraft]

Should we have a Look at Lachie Henderson?

 

[Baird]

Rance. Imagine a defence of him, Reid, Scharenberg, Williams and Langdon. But I think he's Fremantle-bound unfortunately.

Should we have a Look at Lachie Henderson?

Is he a free agent?

 

[Knightmare]

Should we have a Look at Lachie Henderson?

Henderson is neither available or someone I'd go after.

From what I recall some weeks back afl.com with their pick the most valuable player at each club had among Carlton's two options Henderson if I recall correctly. And that's absolutely ridiculous, even talking structural value, it doesn't matter, he shouldn't even be in that conversation.

I slightly prefer what Henderson offers as a back but forward or back he is in reality only serviceable and in my view someone I'd rather not build around. As a key forward he has never had 30 goals in any season and while he had one 153 mark season which is very impressive, he otherwise has only had one other season where he had 100 (exactly) marks. In addition to all this his durability has been poor with only the one 20+ game season. Then he has only had the one 40 tackle season. And only the one overall productive season with 300+ disposals which is only one of two seasons of 200+ disposals. I'd rather have better to be honest with you, and there are younger guys around who will come more cheaply that would offer more value and come more cheaply.

As we're seeing with Reid, you need guys who offer better durability than that. Particularly with key position players, you need them playing every week. Henderson can't do that so unless Carlton are giving him away for a second round pick (which they won't likely wanting a top 10 pick for him), I'm not particularly interested.