Which is the worst Cloke

[Dan Moody]

Debate has raged for years.
Which Cloke would you prefer to be as far away from your team as possible.

 

[TigerGlory]

Travis is good.

I would have said Cameron prior to this season, but since hes playing for a club, i pick Jason

 

[Laughing At You]

Debate has raged for years.
Which Cloke would you prefer to be as far away from your team as possible.

David.
Especially when he wears his "Mikes Hard Lemonade" T- Shirt.
He is the main reason why the Cloke boys are looked on in such a manner(although I suspect his missus is probably sticking her two bobs worth in as well). Let 'em live their own lives.

 

[gandaal]

Jason has more runs on the board (played in a couple of Grand Finals and played a role in both teams) but he was delisted so in the end he was a failure.

Cameron has had one good match in his entire career, and it was playing as a undersized ruckman playing against other undersized ruckman. His tap work is brilliant but the question mark remains if he will manage enough of those taps against real ruckman.

Travis has had all the raps but he's yet to really produce on the field in a meaningful way. So far he's been a fair third tall forward and nothing more. When he was drafted he was rated up with similar tall forwards from the same draft. He's performed better than Roughead but he's fallen far far behind Franklin at this stage.

Tough to call who is the worst just yet.

 

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Jason

 

[Richo83]

Jason has more runs on the board (played in a couple of Grand Finals and played a role in both teams) but he was delisted so in the end he was a failure.

Cameron has had one good match in his entire career, and it was playing as a undersized ruckman playing against other undersized ruckman. His tap work is brilliant but the question mark remains if he will manage enough of those taps against real ruckman.

Travis has had all the raps but he's yet to really produce on the field in a meaningful way. So far he's been a fair third tall forward and nothing more. When he was drafted he was rated up with similar tall forwards from the same draft. He's performed better than Roughead but he's fallen far far behind Franklin at this stage.

Tough to call who is the worst just yet.

Tough call on Travis. Injury has held him back and considering he's still very young and a developing KPP, he's been reasonable. Franklin's been better but some tout him as the new star of the AFL so hey. Cameron is doubtful, never thought he was a dud but he doesn't strike me as a quality player in any form. His delisting IMO had something to do with his brother and theres been worse to play for the pies.

Jason was just a dud. Played in a grand final (never played in two, remember he got suspended before the other) but never played a role, I don't know which Cloke you're thinking about. Malthouse stated that he might as well not have played in 2003. So in reality the grand finals mean squat.

 

[gandaal]

Tough call on Travis. Injury has held him back and considering he's still very young and a developing KPP, he's been reasonable. Franklin's been better but some tout him as the new star of the AFL so hey. Cameron is doubtful, never thought he was a dud but he doesn't strike me as a quality player in any form. His delisting IMO had something to do with his brother and theres been worse to play for the pies.

Jason was just a dud. Played in a grand final (never played in two, remember he got suspended before the other) but never played a role, I don't know which Cloke you're thinking about. Malthouse stated that he might as well not have played in 2003. So in reality the grand finals mean squat.

He played a role in the team during the year, as a floating defender which he did quite well until he was found out.

 

[Richo83]

He played a role in the team during the year, as a floating defender which he did quite well until he was found out.

You didn't say that though, you said he played in two grand finals (wrong) and played a role in both teams (HA!). You stated that he had runs on the board and pointed that he played a role in two grand final teams, unless you find some new other evidence of what he did you haven't provided proof that Jason has done anything.

 

[Croat tiger]

Not Damir he was gun when he played footy.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Cameron, Jason was servicable, Cameron was drafted because carlton needed a back-up ruckman for 1-2 years

 

[douls]

they wouldn't even be spoken about if they were not related

 

[gandaal]

Tough call on Travis. Injury has held him back and considering he's still very young and a developing KPP, he's been reasonable.

One more thing, why is it a tough call on Travis? Everything I said was 100% true. Injuries are no excuse nor do they make mediocre performances any better.

 

[Richo83]

One more thing, why is it a tough call on Travis? Everything I said was 100% true. Injuries are no excuse nor do they make mediocre performances any better.

Considering he's only 20 and still developing as a KPP it's a tough call. Give him some time, of course a player with jaw problems after only a few seasons intermittently playing KP isn't going to star straight away. For his age Travis has been more than "reasonable".

 

[bzparkes]

Definitely Damir (David). What a tool...

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Since he became known as Damir, David has definitely been the worst Cloke to have around the club.

He's the only one that is actually disruptive and malcontented.

 

[gandaal]

You didn't say that though, you said he played in two grand finals (wrong) and played a role in both teams (HA!). You stated that he had runs on the board and pointed that he played a role in two grand final teams, unless you find some new other evidence of what he did you haven't provided proof that Jason has done anything.

He did play a role in both teams and both teams played in grand finals even if he wasn't there for one of them. What he did afterwards doesn't change that fact. (HA! )

He made his first appearance in the Black and White during the 2002 Wizard Cup, before opening his senior account in round 2 of the 2002 season, aged 19, against the West Coast Eagles at the MCG.

Following an impressive debut, Cloke went on to cement his place in the senior side as a courageous key defender who put his body on the line and specialised as the loose man across halfback, often the third man to the contest, developing the habit of swiping his fist to the ball at many contests, an action which soon became his trademark. He swiftly made a name for himself within the game, and earned an AFL Rising Star nomination in just his fifth match (round six against St Kilda at Colonial Stadium).

Cloke's heroics in defence were earning him a number of newspaper stories around Victoria, images of the number 34 standing it's ground in the face of a Matthew Lloyd onslaught on the wettest Anzac Day on memory and a gutsy dive en route to three Brownlow Votes in round seven against the Western Bulldogs becoming symbolic of the club's season.

Cloke backed up his Bulldog heroics a week later with a terrific stopping job on Brisbane Lion Jonathan Brown, ending the match in typical fashion with an awkward, gutsy grab on the siren as the Lions pushed forward one final time, the Magpies home by three points.

 

[Richo83]

You said:

Jason has more runs on the board (played in a couple of Grand Finals and played a role in both teams) but he was delisted so in the end he was a failure.

Ok, number one he didn't play in two grand finals. Two, it's explicitly implied that you stated that he played in grand finals and the subsequent statement stated that he played a role, therefore referring to the role in the grand finals. In layman's term's you said that he played a role in two grand finals.

Both are wrong. He played in one and had zilch influence in the other.

 

[gandaal]

You said:



Ok, number one he didn't play in two grand finals. Two, it's explicitly implied that you stated that he played in grand finals and the subsequent statement stated that he played a role, therefore referring to the role in the grand finals. In layman's term's you said that he played a role in two grand finals.

Both are wrong. He played in one and had zilch influence in the other.

He played a role in both teams, if you want to rewrite history because of what happened afterward go ahead but I'd rather deal with facts. I was wrong about the one grand final but he was suspended and magpie fans at the time claimed it was probably the difference between them winning that flag and losing, and he played a major role in second grand final even if he failed in the role. He was a major part of both grand final teams during the year and played plenty of good games, more than Travis or Cameron have managed so far in there careers.

Jason did more in his career than Travis and Cameron have managed so far in theres. That's a fact. Deal.