On form it looks like a flop so far. Grundy couldn't get a game with them last year and Melbourne don't look to be a top 2 side.
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Opinion Which list would you want? Richmond, Carlton, Geelong
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We are not even half way through the season...
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Geelong > Carlton >>>>> Richmond
You'd surely still take the list that is $8 chance at a flag this year and will have almost the same list contending next season (Tuohy retiring, maybe one other) unless there was an absolute chasm in quality for 28s and under. The only veteran that really looks to have fallen off a cliff form-wise (injury rumours but who knows) is Tuohy. Geelong just haven't coped that well leaning into the 23rd-30th players on the list, most of which need more games in the bank to be competitive as a collective.
After 2024 is done we may lose most or all of Danger, Hawkins (who knows with him though), Smith, Blicavs, Duncan, Bews, Stanley and Rohan. So undoubtedly a lot of quality lost, but a lot of cap space too. Ideally a couple of free agents are landed as is the norm and something like:
Cameron, Stewart, C.Guthrie, Parish, Kolo, Stengle, Close, Miers, Holmes, De Koning, Ratugolea, O'Connor, Z.Guthrie, Atkins, Bruhn, Bowes, TDK, Doedee, J.Henry, O.Henry, Clark, Neale, Conway, Dempsey and Knevitt in 2025 would not be a bad list.
After 2024 is done we may lose most or all of Danger, Hawkins (who knows with him though), Smith, Blicavs, Duncan, Bews, Stanley and Rohan. So undoubtedly a lot of quality lost, but a lot of cap space too. Ideally a couple of free agents are landed as is the norm and something like:
Cameron, Stewart, C.Guthrie, Parish, Kolo, Stengle, Close, Miers, Holmes, De Koning, Ratugolea, O'Connor, Z.Guthrie, Atkins, Bruhn, Bowes, TDK, Doedee, J.Henry, O.Henry, Clark, Neale, Conway, Dempsey and Knevitt in 2025 would not be a bad list.
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And they have a better chance at improving their list then the other 2, especially Richmond unless they have 2 or 3 free agents join soon.
This is probably why De Koning will be laughed at if he demands North of 700k.
He will have to walk.
In Pittonet they trust.
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We are missing 1 first round draft pick at years end… and we got Hopper into our system a year early.
I’ll back our list management team.
A Few from last years haul might surprise
Whilst Carlton's list could be seen as having the most formidable starting blocks, the entrenched culture, mentality, systems etc., are so poisonous that you'd lean towards either Geelong or Richmond.
Cats fans really starting to sound like hawks fans in 2015/16
T2B_
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For me it's not so much the lists as it is coaching and management staff.
This is where we, Carlton, have continuously fallen short, and probably wasted talent and careers of players as a result.
This is where we, Carlton, have continuously fallen short, and probably wasted talent and careers of players as a result.
NorthernBastard
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How much taxpayer money has gone into the MCG and Vic Park over the years?
They certainly will be moot points if one of those players plays well in a winning final to eliminate Collingwood. The whole world will be mooting those points.
Hawthorn completely botched their future though.
They are a prime case study of how to get it all wrong.
Geelong are already rebuilding while remaining a contender.
Our forward line and back line is solid.
We are weak in midfield and have no ruck.
Hawthorn were devoid of quality youth in every position across the ground.
VinnieB
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Your life seems to be built around the word 'if'.They certainly will be moot points if one of those players plays well in a winning final to eliminate Collingwood. The whole world will be mooting those points.
I can sense alot of pain. I'll pray for you.....
Your prayers for me are welcome. Just throw something into them about Collingwood losing finals by a kick please.
And the player we pick up in the draft could do the same or be an average player at best or have drug/mental health etc issues or want to go back home...
As much as it's possible, Hopper is a known quantity. A player you pick up in the draft always holds more risk.
Oh well, if we're in a position to risk Treloar or Grundy being the difference in a big final, it's better than the alternative which was to keep them and possibly not even be playing finals...They certainly will be moot points if one of those players plays well in a winning final to eliminate Collingwood. The whole world will be mooting those points.
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The difference is the Hawks had completely ignored the draft from 2009-2014. Their highest pick in that time was Smith at 19 and they had a total of 3 top 30 draft picks. It was always going to take a miracle for them to be competitive while having no early draftees.
In contrast Geelong just from the 2019-2022 drafts currently have:
De Koning (pick 19)
Holmes (20)
Bruhn (12)
O Henry (17)
Conway (24)
Knevitt (25)
Clark (8)
7 top 25 picks across 4 drafts is a solid base if you pick and develop well. Holmes and SDK look like stars in the making and all of Bruhn, O Henry, Knevitt and Clark look like long-term AFL players. It's a far superior base than Hawthorn had to build off in 2015/16 and far ahead of Richmond's youth as well
Collingwood played plenty of finals with Grundy and Treloar on the list, they are clearly no barrier to playing finals.
The biggest thing is alway where you can win a Grand Final. If you do and they don't, fair play. If they do and you don't, Collingwood's mismanagement of their cap will have come back to bight.
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Grundy looks pretty much the same as after he signed the big contract here. 2nd tier. Pies have used the money saved pretty well so far
Dekoning is a star
Henry has shown glimpses
The others you've mentioned are no different to what hawthorn fans saw of their list back then.
These players who look the part, but have shown little to nothing on field
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Geelong for this season.
Carlton for next year on the basis that their list is easier to fix than the other two clubs.
Carlton for next year on the basis that their list is easier to fix than the other two clubs.
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The point is we still hold a decent hand with all our other picks + Hopper.
Please explain what the “significant impediment” is??? Your words…
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