Opinion Which number #1 has provided better value

[PerfectFooty]

i had a debate a wile back that i thought Riewoldt was a better player for a player taken at pick 1 and Hodge second. Friend of mine thought it was the other way around. Not taking into account awards and premierships which pick 1 in the AFL era has provided better value to his team or teams? Who would you like to start a side around with the ability to see their futures

I think this is a two horse race but have included some other options on the polls. Going to exclude the troll favourites in clive waterhouse and Jack Watts

 

[Rockstar6]

I'd take Nick Riewoldt. Mobile CHF who is couragous, works his bum off, takes jaw dropping big marks and kick huge goals. Hodge was a close second.

 

[james Dean]

Riewoldt slightly ahead of Hodge, miles ahead of Deledio miles more ahead of the rest

 

[Dr Dolphin]

St Kilda without Riewoldt is far worse off than Hawthorn without Hodge. Roo has therefore been of better value to his club in my mind.

Nice way to word the question OP, so much more interesting than "who is the better player" which just creates a shitstorm

 

[Gralin]

Hodge wasn't a priority pick Hawks traded Crowd and McPharlin to freo for the #1 pick

Also how can you judge value without premierships and rewards?

Most will take Reiwoldt most Hawks will take Hodge, neither team loses with who they got

 

[adammania9]

Hodge wasn't a priority pick Hawks traded Crowd and McPharlin to freo for the #1 pick

Also how can you judge value without premierships and rewards?

Most will take Reiwoldt most Hawks will take Hodge, neither team loses with who they got

Yes and that #1 was a priority pick from Fremantle.

 

[Gralin]

Yes and that #1 was a priority pick from Fremantle.

And they traded it, wasn't given to the club that used it. #1 draft pick is #1 draft pick priority is irrelevant when discussing value so why is it part of the poll?

 

[adammania9]

And they traded it, wasn't given to the club that used it. #1 draft pick is #1 draft pick priority is irrelevant when discussing value so why is it part of the poll?

It's still a priority pick though...

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

St Kilda without Riewoldt is far worse off than Hawthorn without Hodge. Roo has therefore been of better value to his club in my mind.

So, without Riewoldt the Saints would have won less flags. I see your point

 

[De Iulio2Wiggins]

Voted Gibbs because I haven't seen so many tears from South Australians since they lost the Grand Prix

 

[BuddyHawk]

It's still a priority pick though...

You're correct.

Fraser in '99 and Johnstone in '97 were also priority picks, so the poll should be updated to reflect that.

 

[doona]

Roo then Hodge. Though, those 2 players despite Cooney's Brownlow are head and shoulders above the rest.

 

[PerfectFooty]

You're correct.

Fraser in '99 and Johnstone in '97 were also priority picks, so the poll should be updated to reflect that.

My bad on Fraser, forgot to include it. Johnstone however was not a priority

 

[Murraj1966]

A star Centre Half Foward beats a star Half Back Flanker any day.

Hodge just got to play in a better team in his time.

 

[Rack Watts]

Adam Cooney, won a Brownlow.

 

[Occidental]

I'm no Hawks fan, but I vote Hodge.
He didn't get taken along for a ride into 4 flags, he was a huge reason that they won the 4 flags. In my mind he is clearly out in front because of what he has achieved and what he brought to the club who selected him. Great player, great leader and stood up in Grand Finals - besides Goddard, you can't say that about the others.

 

[Dr Dolphin]

So, without Riewoldt the Saints would have won less flags. I see your point

Where did I say that premierships came into it? Without Riewoldt, the Saints would have been a much worse team and a player's importance can be measured in more than just premierships won. Clearly you didn't understand the OPs question.

 

[L_W_P]

If you take Hodge out of Hawthorn they still have the likes of Mitchell, Burgoyne, Sewell, Lewis etc all leading the way over the last decade. Not to mention Buddy, Rogh and Cyril up forward. They might not win 4 flags (notably 2008) but they still win a couple.

If you take Riewoldt out of the Saints for the last 15 years we don't make either of the 09 or 2010 GF's and we wouldn't have been a kick away in 2004 either so I would say Riewoldt has provided more value to his team but you wouldn't be upset with either player.

A more interesting poll would be the same question WITHOUT Hodge and Riewoldt in contention.

Probably Deledio or Cooney? Goddard could have been captain of 2 clubs so would be rated highly. Jeff White one of the best mobile ruckman.

Much harder call IMO.

 

[frenchfri12]

Adam Cooney, won a Brownlow.

No.

 

[WilloTree]

Excellent thread. I voted for Roo, but nothing in it really between him and Hodge. But that's not why it's excellent. It's excellent because someone voted for Deledio.

 

[TazHawk15]

Nick played in 3 GF and was ok in everyone of them.

Hodge has played in 5 GF and in 2 of those he won the NSM and in another 2 was in the top 3 Hawks players.

The ability to stand up when its really on the line means,Hodge for me.

 

[Damon_3388]

If we're looking at it from a "Most Valueable Player" perspective, it has to be Riewoldt. The fortunes of his club have rested on his shoulders for so damn long, arguably moreso than any other player since Carey in his pomp.

 

[King_Steele]

OP.

Its Riewoldt.

 

[PerfectFooty]

OP.

Its Riewoldt.

I should have known i didn't spell it right, apologies

 

[OnceKicked50]

It's still a priority pick though...

No. Priority would be in that year Croad as in essence Freo got a leg up by being awful from the AFL. Hawks traded.