Opinion Which players are worth pick 1?

Who would you trade this year's first pick for?

  • De Goey

    Votes: 77 30.3%
  • Bontempelli

    Votes: 195 76.8%
  • P.Cripps

    Votes: 205 80.7%
  • L.Neale

    Votes: 57 22.4%
  • D.Martin

    Votes: 151 59.4%
  • Fyfe

    Votes: 146 57.5%
  • J.Cameron

    Votes: 124 48.8%
  • T.Greene

    Votes: 45 17.7%
  • C.Cameron

    Votes: 10 3.9%
  • H.Andrews

    Votes: 45 17.7%
  • L.Whitfield

    Votes: 87 34.3%
  • Dangerfield

    Votes: 64 25.2%
  • B.Brown

    Votes: 27 10.6%
  • A.Naughton

    Votes: 56 22.0%
  • C.Rozee

    Votes: 36 14.2%
  • J.Gresham

    Votes: 7 2.8%
  • N.Blakey

    Votes: 16 6.3%
  • J.McGovern

    Votes: 33 13.0%
  • B.Grundy

    Votes: 136 53.5%
  • Max Gawn

    Votes: 52 20.5%
  • Tom Lynch

    Votes: 64 25.2%
  • Josh Kelly

    Votes: 95 37.4%
  • Isaac Heeney

    Votes: 33 13.0%
  • Sam Walsh

    Votes: 75 29.5%

  • Total voters
    254
  • This poll will close: .

Herne Hill Hammer

Premium Platinum
Jun 22, 2008
18,983
13,922
Cowes
AFL Club
Geelong
De Goey
Bontempelli
Cripps
Grungy
Walsh

that is all.

If you have the number 1 pick, you're probably on the bottom of the ladder. A few years of Dusty, Fyfe, Danger etc aren't going to make a difference. (maybe to membership and attendances)
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

HairyO

Brownlow Medallist
Jul 13, 2015
19,304
20,132
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Think I selected 16 of those players in total.
I would think somewhere between 20 and 30 players would be reasonable. A team close to making finals would want a fully developed elite. A team at the bottom would be looking for someone younger who is elite but with potential to go even further.
 

Bring back Bas

All Australian
Apr 10, 2014
964
1,040
AFL Club
Adelaide
I think that if you picked a player who was a top 5 player in your team who went on to leave as a free agent after 8 years most people would be happy with that return. That being the case, there are probably about 100 players in the competition who are good enough to warrant a trade for pick 1 if you could guarantee 5 good years out them which takes the pool to probably about 50. You could add to that though young players who look like they will be top 7 players from their draft (McCluggage, Taranto, McGrath (2016), Mills, Oliver, Gresham (2015), etc).

In reality this isn't the case at all and draft picks appear to be way overrated in trades.

*EDIT* ...and also Hugh Greenwood is worth pick 1 in a trade!
 
Last edited:

Pessimistic

TheBrownDog
Sep 13, 2000
69,963
29,360
Melbourne cricket ground. Australia
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Other Teams
Horks

Croad Certainly was traded Pick 1 (and incidentally pick 3 in '97, pick 10 in '03, surely the player with the most points expended on)

Although Luke McPharlin was thrown in for additional picks 20 and 36. Arguably Luke was more value for Freo, but that wasnt the trade.

If your going to split hairs over multi trades, Id suggest there NEVER will be a straight trade for pick 1



The intersting thing is Hawks finished top 4, not last but it would be six years before they got back there again, and went low low in 04 05 and 06
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

Procrastinator35

Hall of Famer
Feb 24, 2013
38,367
31,285
The GoldenBrown Heart of Victoria
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Other Teams
Man Utd Green Bay Melb Storm
is 28, plays an aggressive style that is hard on the body, would have 2-3 years at the top max. No club would touch him for anything above pick 5.

Judd was 4 years younger and didn't get pick 1.
Don't be daft....Without Martin the Tigers wouldn't have 1 Premiership, never mind 2.

He'd make a mid-table side a premiership contender immediately....Far more of a weapon forward than Judd ever was, who was also never the same player again post his trade back to Victoria because of his shoulders.
 

PAFC_1870

Brownlow Medallist
Feb 21, 2009
11,926
8,083
Adelaide
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
Other Teams
Ferrari, Chicago Bulls
Don't be daft....Without Martin the Tigers wouldn't have 1 Premiership, never mind 2.

He'd make a mid-table side a premiership contender immediately....Far more of a weapon forward than Judd ever was, who was also never the same player again post his trade back to Victoria because of his shoulders.
Which mid table contender has pick 1?

Don't be daft.
 

Procrastinator35

Hall of Famer
Feb 24, 2013
38,367
31,285
The GoldenBrown Heart of Victoria
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Other Teams
Man Utd Green Bay Melb Storm
You said a mid table team would be better, no shit...
The point was over the difference Martin makes & his overall value in the AFL landscape, as compared to Judd post his Carlton move at the same age.

I.E. Martin would still easily command a number 1 pick at the trade-table today because of his match-winning abilities.

No need to keep digging down chum.
 

Belnakor

Brownlow Medallist
Apr 10, 2005
18,931
10,018
Perth
AFL Club
Fremantle
Don't be daft....Without Martin the Tigers wouldn't have 1 Premiership, never mind 2.

He'd make a mid-table side a premiership contender immediately....Far more of a weapon forward than Judd ever was, who was also never the same player again post his trade back to Victoria because of his shoulders.
You obviously didn't watch much football during Judd's career.

1) Judd could do anything he wanted during his peak. He averaged a goal a game at WCE the same as Martin does
2) Judd's shoulders were fine it was his groin that was f’ed and cost him a significant amount of his lateral movement and explosiveness, so he had to transition to being a more inside midfielder

oh and Martin did play in a "mid-table side" in 2016 where he only kicked 9 goals for the year. He is a top player but he is the cream on a good side.

No team in the top 6 is going to have a pick 1 and even if they did they wouldn't trade pick 1 for a 28 year old.
 

Belnakor

Brownlow Medallist
Apr 10, 2005
18,931
10,018
Perth
AFL Club
Fremantle
The point was over the difference Martin makes & his overall value in the AFL landscape, as compared to Judd post his Carlton move at the same age.

I.E. Martin would still easily command a number 1 pick at the trade-table today because of his match-winning abilities.

No need to keep digging down chum.
"easily"? righto.

Judd at the end of 2007 was a freak of nature who was only 24 who had already won a brownlow, norm smith and a premiership. He still didn't get pick 1.

Martin is 28 and isn't as good as peak Judd, he wouldn't get near a pick 1 from any team.

Fyfe wouldn't either and he is a better player for a struggling team, since his strengths are ball winning / contested possessions.
 

Procrastinator35

Hall of Famer
Feb 24, 2013
38,367
31,285
The GoldenBrown Heart of Victoria
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Other Teams
Man Utd Green Bay Melb Storm
You obviously didn't watch much football during Judd's career.

1) Judd could do anything he wanted during his peak. He averaged a goal a game at WCE the same as Martin does
2) Judd's shoulders were fine it was his groin that was f’ed and cost him a significant amount of his lateral movement and explosiveness, so he had to transition to being a more inside midfielder
You obviously don't read too well….I stipulated post Judd's West-Coast career....I.E At the same age currently as Martin.

Judd only won a Brownlow at Carlton because there was no one there to take votes off him.

Remind me how many times Judd went forward in a big final to kick 3-4 goals & be the difference?

Martin is the current number 1 player in the AFL because he can do that.....If he aint getting the number 1 pick in a trade, then no one else is.

Some common-sense, please.
 

jooce8891

Premiership Player
Jun 19, 2018
3,140
7,296
frankston station
AFL Club
Carlton
if walsh is ahead of rowell it wouldnt be by much

hence its not an "absolute joke"

rowell is a jet btw
it is, one hasnt played a game yet, one averages 25+ disposals, you have no clue how rowell is going to handle the pressure of playing senior AFL football. the fact you said you'd take an unproven player who's never played a game before over the best teenager in australia is certainly an absolute joke
 

Top Bottom