Opinion Which players are worth pick 1?

[Herne Hill Hammer]

De Goey
Bontempelli
Cripps
Grungy
Walsh

that is all.

If you have the number 1 pick, you're probably on the bottom of the ladder. A few years of Dusty, Fyfe, Danger etc aren't going to make a difference. (maybe to membership and attendances)

 

[Mitchell54]

Think I selected 16 of those players in total.

 

[james Dean]

The O/P post never stipulated anything about extras.....Just who would demand pick 1.

Sam Walsh aint in the same convo as those players as yet.....But he's off to a good start.

So 12 months after being pick 1 and having a record breaking debut season, Sam Walsh has somehow lost value?

 

[HairyO]

Think I selected 16 of those players in total.

I would think somewhere between 20 and 30 players would be reasonable. A team close to making finals would want a fully developed elite. A team at the bottom would be looking for someone younger who is elite but with potential to go even further.

 

[Bring back Bas]

I think that if you picked a player who was a top 5 player in your team who went on to leave as a free agent after 8 years most people would be happy with that return. That being the case, there are probably about 100 players in the competition who are good enough to warrant a trade for pick 1 if you could guarantee 5 good years out them which takes the pool to probably about 50. You could add to that though young players who look like they will be top 7 players from their draft (McCluggage, Taranto, McGrath (2016), Mills, Oliver, Gresham (2015), etc).

In reality this isn't the case at all and draft picks appear to be way overrated in trades.

*EDIT* ...and also Hugh Greenwood is worth pick 1 in a trade!

 

[Belnakor]

Dusty the clear one. In the eye of the beholder for some of the other candidates.

hardly - too old and isn't the kind of player you build a team around. He is a guy you pick when your team is at about 8th and you want to accelerate to premiership.

 

[Belnakor]

iirc a couple of years ago GWS or GC offered Freo Pick 1 for Fyfe. I doubt they would do the same now.

 

[Mitchell54]

Patrick Cripps is the most valuable player in the league imo.

 

[Pessimistic]

After the siren: the trade that shook the footy world in 2001

AFTER THE SIREN: A look back at the 2001 blockbuster trade

www.afl.com.au

Croad Certainly was traded Pick 1 (and incidentally pick 3 in '97, pick 10 in '03, surely the player with the most points expended on)

Although Luke McPharlin was thrown in for additional picks 20 and 36. Arguably Luke was more value for Freo, but that wasnt the trade.

If your going to split hairs over multi trades, Id suggest there NEVER will be a straight trade for pick 1



The intersting thing is Hawks finished top 4, not last but it would be six years before they got back there again, and went low low in 04 05 and 06

 

[King_Tredrea]

hardly - too old and isn't the kind of player you build a team around. He is a guy you pick when your team is at about 8th and you want to accelerate to premiership.

Yeah, nah. I think most clubs would be willing to trade 1 for Dustin Martin.

 

[Belnakor]

Yeah, nah. I think most clubs would be willing to trade 1 for Dustin Martin.

is 28, plays an aggressive style that is hard on the body, would have 2-3 years at the top max. No club would touch him for anything above pick 5.

Judd was 4 years younger and didn't get pick 1.

 

[Procrastinator35]

is 28, plays an aggressive style that is hard on the body, would have 2-3 years at the top max. No club would touch him for anything above pick 5.

Judd was 4 years younger and didn't get pick 1.

Don't be daft....Without Martin the Tigers wouldn't have 1 Premiership, never mind 2.

He'd make a mid-table side a premiership contender immediately....Far more of a weapon forward than Judd ever was, who was also never the same player again post his trade back to Victoria because of his shoulders.

 

[PAFC_1870]

Don't be daft....Without Martin the Tigers wouldn't have 1 Premiership, never mind 2.

He'd make a mid-table side a premiership contender immediately....Far more of a weapon forward than Judd ever was, who was also never the same player again post his trade back to Victoria because of his shoulders.

Which mid table contender has pick 1?

Don't be daft.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Which mid table contender has pick 1?

Don't be daft.

That's not what I said nor is it the argument, you nincompoop!

 

[Gaben]

Do people seriously think Walsh lost value?

Yeah but he's a known quantity now. 2020 is a superdraft man, the number 1 pick there could be the best player evah

 

[PAFC_1870]

That's not what I said nor is it the argument, you nincompoop!

You said a mid table team would be better, no s**t...

Guess what, they don't have 1.

 

[Marcel Proust]

You would want more than just pick 1 for those players, u would want more than 1 for Sam Walsh

Rowell >Walsh i reckon

 

[Procrastinator35]

You said a mid table team would be better, no s**t...

The point was over the difference Martin makes & his overall value in the AFL landscape, as compared to Judd post his Carlton move at the same age.

I.E. Martin would still easily command a number 1 pick at the trade-table today because of his match-winning abilities.

No need to keep digging down chum.

 

[PAFC_1870]

I.E. Martin would still easily command a number 1 pick at the trade-table today because of his match-winning abilities.

Yeah nah. Not at his age

 

[Belnakor]

Don't be daft....Without Martin the Tigers wouldn't have 1 Premiership, never mind 2.

He'd make a mid-table side a premiership contender immediately....Far more of a weapon forward than Judd ever was, who was also never the same player again post his trade back to Victoria because of his shoulders.

You obviously didn't watch much football during Judd's career.

1) Judd could do anything he wanted during his peak. He averaged a goal a game at WCE the same as Martin does
2) Judd's shoulders were fine it was his groin that was ****ed and cost him a significant amount of his lateral movement and explosiveness, so he had to transition to being a more inside midfielder

oh and Martin did play in a "mid-table side" in 2016 where he only kicked 9 goals for the year. He is a top player but he is the cream on a good side.

No team in the top 6 is going to have a pick 1 and even if they did they wouldn't trade pick 1 for a 28 year old.

 

[Belnakor]

The point was over the difference Martin makes & his overall value in the AFL landscape, as compared to Judd post his Carlton move at the same age.

I.E. Martin would still easily command a number 1 pick at the trade-table today because of his match-winning abilities.

No need to keep digging down chum.

"easily"? righto.

Judd at the end of 2007 was a freak of nature who was only 24 who had already won a brownlow, norm smith and a premiership. He still didn't get pick 1.

Martin is 28 and isn't as good as peak Judd, he wouldn't get near a pick 1 from any team.

Fyfe wouldn't either and he is a better player for a struggling team, since his strengths are ball winning / contested possessions.

 

[Procrastinator35]

You obviously didn't watch much football during Judd's career.

1) Judd could do anything he wanted during his peak. He averaged a goal a game at WCE the same as Martin does
2) Judd's shoulders were fine it was his groin that was f’ed and cost him a significant amount of his lateral movement and explosiveness, so he had to transition to being a more inside midfielder

You obviously don't read too well….I stipulated post Judd's West-Coast career....I.E At the same age currently as Martin.

Judd only won a Brownlow at Carlton because there was no one there to take votes off him.

Remind me how many times Judd went forward in a big final to kick 3-4 goals & be the difference?

Martin is the current number 1 player in the AFL because he can do that.....If he aint getting the number 1 pick in a trade, then no one else is.

Some common-sense, please.

 

[jooce8891]

Rowell >Walsh i reckon

******* lol, what an absolute joke

 

[Marcel Proust]

******* lol, what an absolute joke

if walsh is ahead of rowell it wouldnt be by much

hence its not an "absolute joke"

rowell is a jet btw

 

[jooce8891]

if walsh is ahead of rowell it wouldnt be by much

hence its not an "absolute joke"

rowell is a jet btw

it is, one hasnt played a game yet, one averages 25+ disposals, you have no clue how rowell is going to handle the pressure of playing senior AFL football. the fact you said you'd take an unproven player who's never played a game before over the best teenager in australia is certainly an absolute joke