Which team is in most trouble age wise - 2018 edition

[Snake_Baker]

This isn't really about 2018, it's about the period after 2018.

In that case, Geelong.

 

[Damon_3388]

Third oldest list in the league - http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-30/adelaides-2018-list-is-one-for-the-ages

Only team in the top eight oldest lists to have not made finals in the last two years.

I'd say at least half of the actual best 22 though would be under 25 years old going into 2018 though.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Moot point anyways as we have allot more talented defenders than Langdon.

The pies are really set for most areas, except for KPF depth.

 

[The Joker]

This isn't really about 2018, it's about the period after 2018.

In that case, Geelong.

It has to be about 2018/19 as there is far to many variables that must be factored in to give anything other than a pure guess at who we believe to be in the most trouble!



And i dont know why it matters that superstars like Selwood, Kennedy, Pendelbury, Riewoldt and Ryder are 29, they still have about 4 years left!

 

[RUNVS]

Also since I am bored, here are the best 22's the AFL website has, minus the players who are over 29

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-12-02/best-22-your-clubs-first-choice-for-2018

Hawthorn
B: Blake Hardwick, XXXX XXXX, James Sicily
HB: XXXX XXXX, Ben Stratton, XXXX XXXX
C: Isaac Smith, Tom Mitchell, Jarman Impey
HF: Cyril Rioli, Jack Gunston, Ryan Burton
F: Luke Breust, XXXX XXXX, Tim O'Brien
Foll: Ben McEvoy, Liam Shiels, Jaeger O'Meara
I/C: Kaiden Brand, Taylor Duryea, Daniel Howe, Conor Glass

Sydney
B: XXXX XXXX, XXXX XXXX, Aliir Aliir
HB: XXXX XXXX, Dane Rampe, Jake Lloyd
C: Dan Hannebery, XXXX XXXX, Zak Jones
HF: XXXX XXXX, Sam Reid, George Hewett
F: Will Hayward, XXXX XXXX, Tom Papley
Foll: XXXX XXXX, Luke Parker, Isaac Heeney
I/C: Callum Mills, Nic Newman, Oliver Florent, Dean Towers

Collingwood
B: Matthew Scharenberg, XXXX XXXX, Tom Langdon
HB: Jeremy Howe, Darcy Moore, Brayden Maynard
C: XXXX XXXX, Adam Treloar, Steele Sidebottom
HF: Will Hoskin-Elliott, Ben Reid, Jordan De Goey
F: Jamie Elliott, Mason Cox, Alex Fasolo
Foll: Brodie Grundy, XXXX XXXX, Taylor Adams
I/C: XXXX XXXX, XXXX XXXX, Tom Phillips, Jack Crisp

Fremantle
B: Griffin Logue, Joel Hamling, XXXX XXXX
HB: Nathan Wilson, XXXX XXXX, Luke Ryan
C: Stephen Hill, Connor Blakely, Bradley Hill
HF: Michael Walters, Brennan Cox, Harley Bennell
F: XXXX XXXX, Cam McCarthy, Brandon Matera
Foll: XXXX XXXX, Nat Fyfe, Lachie Neale
I/C: XXXX XXXX, Sean Darcy, Andrew Brayshaw, Adam Cerra

Adelaide
B: Rory Laird, Daniel Talia, Jake Kelly
HB: Luke Brown, Kyle Hartigan, Brodie Smith
C: Paul Seedsman, Rory Sloane, Rory Atkins
HF: Tom Lynch, Taylor Walker, XXXX XXXX
F: XXXX XXXX, Josh Jenkins, Mitch McGovern
Foll: XXXX XXXX, Matt Crouch, Bryce Gibbs
I/C: Brad Crouch, Riley Knight, XXXX XXXX, Hugh Greenwood

Carlton
B: XXXX XXXX, Liam Jones, Caleb Marchbank
HB: Sam Docherty, Jacob Weitering, Lachie Plowman
C: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Patrick Cripps, Matthew Kennedy
HF: Charlie Curnow, Harry McKay, Matthew Wright
F: Jack Silvagni, Levi Casboult, Jarrod Pickett
Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Ed Curnow, XXXX XXXX
I/C: Paddy Dow, Zac Fisher, Darcy Lang, XXXX XXXX

Geelong
B: Tom Stewart, Lachie Henderson, Jed Bews
HB: Zach Tuohy, XXXX XXXX, Jake Kolodjashnij
C: Mark Blicavs, XXXX XXXX, Mitch Duncan
HF: Brandan Parfitt, XXXX XXXX, Nakia Cockatoo
F: XXXX XXXX, XXXX XXXX, Sam Menegola
Foll: Zac Smith, Patrick Dangerfield, Scott Selwood
I/C: Cam Guthrie, Jackson Thurlow, Daniel Menzel, Lincoln McCarthy

Gold Coast
B: Kade Kolodjashnij, Steven May, Jesse Joyce
HB: Lachie Weller, Jack Leslie, XXXX XXXX
C: Alex Sexton, Jarryd Lyons, XXXX XXXX
HF: Aaron Young, Tom Lynch, Jack Martin
F: Ben Ainsworth, Peter Wright, Callum Ah Chee
Foll: Jarrod Witts, David Swallow, Aaron Hall
I/C: Jack Bowes, Touk Miller, XXXX XXXX, Brayden Fiorini

Port Adelaide
B: Darcy Byrne-Jones, Tom Clurey, Tom Jonas
HB: Hamish Hartlett, Jack Hombsch, Matthew Broadbent
C: Steven Motlop, Ollie Wines, Jared Polec
HF: XXXX XXXX, XXXX XXXX, Chad Wingard
F: Sam Gray, Charlie Dixon, XXXX XXXX
Foll: XXXX XXXX, Tom Rockliff, Brad Ebert
I/C: Jasper Pittard, Jack Watts, Karl Amon, Sam Powell-Pepper

 

[RUNVS]

Richmond
B: Dylan Grimes, Alex Rance, Nick Vlastuin
HB: Brandon Ellis, David Astbury, XXXX XXXX
C: XXXX XXXX, Dustin Martin, XXXX XXXX
HF: Kane Lambert, XXXX XXXX, Daniel Rioli
F: Jacob Townsend, Josh Caddy, Dan Butler
Foll: Toby Nankervis, Trent Cotchin, Dion Prestia
I/C: Kamdyn McIntosh, Jack Graham, Nathan Broad, Jason Castagna

Essendon
B: XXXX XXXX, Michael Hurley, Adam Saad
HB: Conor McKenna, Michael Hartley, Andrew McGrath
C: David Zaharakis, Dyson Heppell, XXXX XXXX
HF: Devon Smith, Joe Daniher, Jake Stringer
F: Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti, XXXX XXXX, Orazio Fantasia
Foll: Tom Bellchambers, Zach Merrett, Darcy Parish
I/C: James Stewart, Patrick Ambrose, Jayden Laverde, Martin Gleeson

GWS
B: XXXX XXXX, Aidan Corr, Adam Tomlinson
HB: Zac Williams, Phil Davis, Nick Haynes
C: Tom Scully, Callan Ward, Lachie Whitfield
HF: Dylan Shiel, Jeremy Cameron, Toby Greene
F: XXXX XXXX, Jonathon Patton, Tim Taranto
Foll: Rory Lobb, Stephen Coniglio, Josh Kelly
I/C: Jacob Hopper, Will Setterfield, Sam Reid, XXXX XXXX

Melbourne
B: Neville Jetta, Oscar McDonald, Jake Lever
HB: Jayden Hunt, Joel Smith, Michael Hibberd
C: Dom Tyson, XXXX XXXX, Christian Salem
HF: Alex Neal-Bullen, Tom McDonald, Christian Petracca
F: Jeff Garlett, Jesse Hogan, Mitch Hannan
R: Max Gawn, Clayton Oliver, Jack Viney
INT: Angus Brayshaw, Jake Melksham, XXXX XXXX, XXXX XXXX

North Melbourne
B: Daniel Nielson, XXXX XXXX, Jamie Macmillan
HB: Sam Wright, Robbie Tarrant, Marley Williams
C: Billy Hartung, Ben Cunnington, Luke McDonald
HF: Taylor Garner, XXXX XXXX, Mason Wood
F: Kayne Turner, Ben Brown, Jy Simpkin
Foll: XXXX XXXX, XXXX XXXX, Jack Ziebell
I/C: Trent Dumont, Luke Davies-Uniacke, Shaun Atley, Ryan Clarke

St Kilda
B: XXXX XXXX, XXXX XXXX, Dylan Roberton
HB: Shane Savage, Jake Carlisle, Jimmy Webster
C: Jack Sinclair, Jack Steele, Jack Newnes
HF: Blake Acres, Josh Bruce, Jack Billings
F: Jade Gresham, Paddy McCartin, Tim Membrey
Foll: Billy Longer, Seb Ross, Jack Steven
I/C: XXXX XXXX, Koby Stevens, XXXX XXXX, Mav Weller

Western Bulldogs
B: XXXX XXXX, Marcus Adams, Easton Wood
HB: Jason Johannisen, Jackson Trengove, Bailey Williams
C: Jack Macrae, Tom Liberatore, XXXX XXXX
HF: Toby McLean, Tom Boyd, XXXX XXXX
F: Luke Dahlhaus, Jack Redpath, Bailey Dale
Foll: Jordan Roughead, Marcus Bontempelli, Lachie Hunter
I/C: XXXX XXXX, Zaine Cordy, Caleb Daniel, Hayden Crozier

West Coast
B: Brad Sheppard, Tom Barrass, Jackson Nelson
HB: Liam Duggan, Jeremy McGovern, XXXX XXXX
C: Lewis Jetta, Elliot Yeo, Andrew Gaff
HF: XXXX XXXX, Jack Darling, Jack Redden
F: Liam Ryan, XXXX XXXX, Jamie Cripps
Foll: Nic Naitanui, Luke Shuey, Dom Sheed
I/C: Nathan Vardy, Brendon Ah Chee, Daniel Venables, Mark Hutchings

Brisbane
B: Darcy Gardiner, Harris Andrews, Alex Witherden
HB: Daniel Rich, Dan McStay, XXXX XXXX
C: Hugh McCluggage, Dayne Zorko, Sam Mayes
HF: Charlie Cameron, Josh Walker, Lewy Taylor
F: Cam Rayner, Eric Hipwood, Mitch Robinson
Foll: XXXX XXXX, Dayne Beams, Jarrod Berry
I/C: Ryan Lester, Nick Robertson, Allen Christensen, Ryan Bastinac

 

[Snake_Baker]

North Melbourne
B: Daniel Nielson, XXXX XXXX, Jamie Macmillan
HB: Sam Wright, Robbie Tarrant, Marley Williams
C: Billy Hartung, Ben Cunnington, Luke McDonald
HF: Taylor Garner, XXXX XXXX, Mason Wood
F: Kayne Turner, Ben Brown, Jy Simpkin
Foll: XXXX XXXX, XXXX XXXX, Jack Ziebell
I/C: Trent Dumont, Luke Davies-Uniacke, Shaun Atley, Ryan Clarke

Thompson, Waite, Goldstein and Higgins.

I doubt either of Waite or Thompson will play a KPP role in 2018.

Goldstein and Higgins could have 100 games left in them.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Thompson, Waite, Goldstein and Higgins.

I doubt either of Waite or Thompson will play a KPP role in 2018.

Goldstein and Higgins could have 100 games left in them.

I wouldn’t have Hartung anywhere near the best 22 either.

 

[The Joker]

Fremantle
B: Griffin Logue, Joel Hamling, XXXX XXXX
HB: Nathan Wilson, XXXX XXXX, Luke Ryan
C: Stephen Hill, Connor Blakely, Bradley Hill
HF: Michael Walters, Brennan Cox, Harley Bennell
F: XXXX XXXX, Cam McCarthy, Brandon Matera
Foll: XXXX XXXX, Nat Fyfe, Lachie Neale
I/C: XXXX XXXX, Sean Darcy, Andrew Brayshaw, Adam Cerra

As @ Rd1
Oldest Player: Stephen Hill 27y 10m
Youngest Player: Andrew Brayshaw 18y 4m
Average Age: 23.3

Positives for this group;
Possibly the best player in the game: Fyfe.
Some A grade players: Fyfe, Walters & BHill.
Quality players with the ability to get better: Neale, Hamling, Wilson, SHill, Blakley, Ryan & McCarthy.
Some highly rated youth: Logue, Brayshaw, Cerra & Darcy
The most talented * up in the game: Bennell

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

So Hawthorn effectively look like this in 2019.

Hawthorn
B: Blake Hardwick, Kaiden Brand , Ben Stratton
HB: Conor Glass, James Sicily, Dave Mirra
C: Isaac Smith, Tom Mitchell, Jarman Impey
HF: Cyril Rioli, Jack Gunston, Ryan Burton
F: Luke Breust, Tom Lynch, Tim O'Brien
Foll: Ben McEvoy, Liam Shiels, Jaeger O'Meara

I/C from: Jon Ceglar, Ryan Schoenmakers, Kieran Lovell, Daniel Howe, Jon O'Rourke, Will Langford, Harry Morrison

I don't see much trouble.

 

[boncer34]

So Hawthorn effectively look like this in 2019.



I don't see much trouble.

Color me shocked

 

[telsor]

Worth noting that Richmond's situation got worse this week.

Our only real concern is with tall forwards, and now our no2 option there, Ben Griffiths, is gone.

I suppose the upside it that it'll mean more opportunities for the kids to get games, but our reliance on Jack Reiwoldt up forward has increased considerably.


I dare say our enforced 'strategy' of only playing one tall forward is likely to see more use in 2018.

 

[footyfan1978]

Also since I am bored, here are the best 22's the AFL website has, minus the players who are over 29


Port Adelaide
B: Darcy Byrne-Jones, Tom Clurey, Tom Jonas
HB: Hamish Hartlett, Jack Hombsch, Matthew Broadbent
C: Steven Motlop, Ollie Wines, Jared Polec
HF: XXXX XXXX, XXXX XXXX, Chad Wingard
F: Sam Gray, Charlie Dixon, XXXX XXXX
Foll: XXXX XXXX, Tom Rockliff, Brad Ebert
I/C: Jasper Pittard, Jack Watts, Karl Amon, Sam Powell-Pepper

Are Rockliff and Ebert under 29 ?

 

[SHill Shall]

Fremantle
B: Griffin Logue, Joel Hamling, XXXX XXXX
HB: Nathan Wilson, XXXX XXXX, Luke Ryan
C: Stephen Hill, Connor Blakely, Bradley Hill
HF: Michael Walters, Brennan Cox, Harley Bennell
F: XXXX XXXX, Cam McCarthy, Brandon Matera
Foll: XXXX XXXX, Nat Fyfe, Lachie Neale
I/C: XXXX XXXX, Sean Darcy, Andrew Brayshaw, Adam Cerra

XXXXX’s = Alex Pearce, Ethan Hughes, Matthew Taberner, Darcy Tucker and Ed Langdon

 

[footyfan1978]

Fremantle
B: Griffin Logue, Joel Hamling, XXXX XXXX
HB: Nathan Wilson, XXXX XXXX, Luke Ryan
C: Stephen Hill, Connor Blakely, Bradley Hill
HF: Michael Walters, Brennan Cox, Harley Bennell
F: XXXX XXXX, Cam McCarthy, Brandon Matera
Foll: XXXX XXXX, Nat Fyfe, Lachie Neale
I/C: XXXX XXXX, Sean Darcy, Andrew Brayshaw, Adam Cerra

XXXXX’s = Alex Pearce, Ethan Hughes, Matthew Taberner, Darcy Tucker and Ed Langdon

You can probably delete Harley Bennell if being realistic.

 

[Kram]

Gilbert is the only one over 29yo in this group, at 31yo, and he will be harder to replace than most who don't barrack for us probably realise, as he just does what's asked of him week after week, and is able to play literally every position on the ground if we need him to plug a hole, and down back he can play on so many different types. He's also the best suited on our list to the 3rd-tall role down back that he mostly plays, and his tackling and speed are also close to the best in our side. He is of course also wonky by foot and prone to brain-fades though, so the better kicking and decision-making of potential replacement options like Brandon White and Nick Coffield would be welcome. Given that he's generally an extremely fit type and missed a lot of footy in his late 20's, he may be able to squeeze out 3 more seasons, if needed, tho (31/32/33yo).

If Sam Gilbert is one of your most important players things are worse than I thought.

 

[aussierulesrules]

If Sam Gilbert is one of your most important players things are worse than I thought.

I didn't say he was one of our most important, just that he won't be as easy to replace as many who don't see all the good work that keeps getting him games would realise.

The likes of you in particular, who just bag or sink the boots into us relentlessly, who only watch our games to look for the negatives we do, so that you can point them out in our match day threads each week.

 

[JVseven]

Geelong having one last crack before they’ll need to rebuild. How’s GAJ’s heartstring coming along?

 

[Snake_Baker]

Geelong having one last crack before they’ll need to rebuild. How’s GAJ’s heartstring coming along?

What odds he'll find a "new lease on life" and play 100 more games?

 

[Wayne Campbell]

Higgins (1st in B&F) the only concern to replace for North in the coming years, even then he is 29 and so has at least a couple more to go.

Not unreasonable to expect younger players to replace Thompson (9th), Goldy (12th) and Waite (21st) in our best 22.

Edit: Of interest Wood, Preuss and Vickers-Willis finished 23rd, 24th and 25th in B&F.

 

[_Mike_]

Looks like I was close to the mark in last years thread.

Bulldogs..

Why? We are 3 of our best defenders a season from retirement. Morris, M Boyd, Murphy. That puts a massive experience gap in our defensive structure.

Every game that M Boyd did not play in over the last 2 seasons were losses. Go think about that for a moment and whilst I put a heavy emphasis on the importance of M Boyd, we simply cant gap that experience with only JJ, Wood and Adams at this point in time.

Although Morris is playing on, he, Boyd and Murphy were off the boil last year with fitness and injury as well as Adams.

We should be a little more settled this year.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Higgins (1st in B&F) the only concern to replace for North in the coming years, even then he is 29 and so has at least a couple more to go.

Not unreasonable to expect younger players to replace Thompson (9th), Goldy (12th) and Waite (21st) in our best 22.

Edit: Of interest Wood, Preuss and Vickers-Willis finished 23rd, 24th and 25th in B&F.

Waite isn't your 21st player.

Look at your average votes per game would be a better indicator.

 

[Wayne Campbell]

Waite isn't your 21st player.

Look at your average votes per game would be a better indicator.

Disagree. A fit Waite no doubt improves us, but when that is weighed against the fact he's only played 24 games in the last two years, votes per game would overstate his importance.

 

[catstorm]

Geelong having one last crack before they’ll need to rebuild. How’s GAJ’s heartstring coming along?

I think the list has two more years 2018 and 2019, after that it will need to rebuild.

 

[TwentyNine]

I'd say at least half of the actual best 22 though would be under 25 years old going into 2018 though.

Yes probably, but I think that'd also be true of just about every team.