Now in previous years I have done a separate thread on a teams older players and younger players
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/which-team-is-in-most-trouble-age-wise-2018-edition.1184604/
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/who-has-the-best-youth-2018-edition.1183020/
but I am changing that up this year as I think it would be better to combine them, and compare the older players of a club directly with their younger players, and see who might be retiring soon and who they may have to replace them.
So a few rules on why I am picking certain players and why I am not picking others.
The cut off date is going to be the 1st of January 2019, so I am going to assume, age-wise, that it is the 1st of January 2019.
Now, for the older players if they are going to be 29 or older on the 1.1.19 then they will make the list as 29 is about the age where players can start slowing down.
For the younger players there are two criteria
- Have to be under 23 at the 1.1.19
- Have to of played at least 5 games
I include the last criterium because otherwise I am including rookies and new draft picks that ultimately no one knows if they will succeed or not. Having played at least 5 games there is at least a little body of work to discuss.
The basic pemise is which teams are going to have the most trouble replacing their older players with their younger players? Which teams just don't have the youth coming through to replace the players that will be retiring in the next few years. It isn't just about numbers either, as one team might have fairly average older players who are easier to replace, but another team might have huge numbers of younger players but none of them are that good.
I also apologise in advance if I got any of the below information wrong as it is very possible I have missed a few things. I almost missed Rischitelli for instance as he got picked up in the rookie draft but footywire has spelt his name wrong in the re-rookie process so his age and stats did not come up.
I have given everyone 3 choices in the poll, just to get more of a range of opinions.
So to get started
Hawthorn (10)
Burgoyne 36.2, Roughead 31.11, Puopolo 32.0, Birchall 30.11, Henderson 30.3, Frawley 30.3, Mohr 30.2, Smith 30.0, Stratton, 29.9, McEvoy 29.4
Worpel 19.11, Morrison 20.1, Nash 20.5, Cousins 20.8, Glass 21.3, Hardwick 21.10, Miles 22.1, Pittonet 22.6
Collingwood (8)
Wells 33.10, Dunn 31.7, Goldsack 31.7, Pendlebury 30.11, Varco 30.8, Mayne 30.1, Greenwood, 29.10, Reid 29.8
Appleby 19.11, Stephenson 19.11, Daicos 20.1, Brown 20.8, Sier 21.1, Murray 21.3, Crocker 21.10, Maynard 22.3, Phillips 22.7, De Goey 22.9, Moore 22.11
Sydney (8)
McVeigh 33.8, Grundy 32.6, Franklin 31.11, Tippett 31.7, Jack 31.6, Smith 30.6, Kennedy 30.6, Sinclair 29.3
McCartin 19.0, Hayward 20.2, Florent 20.5, Ronke 21.0, Clarke 21.6, Dawson 21.8, Mills 21.8, Melican 22.1, Papley 22.5, Heeney 22.7, Rose 22.8
Adelaide (7)
Betts 32.1, Douglas 31.10, Jacobs 30.8, MacKay 30.5, Jenkins 29.10, Gibbs 29.9, Otton 29.7
Fogarty 19.3, Murphy 20.0, Poholke 20.5, Gallucci 20.7, Milera 21.3, Doedee 21.10
Carlton (6)
Simpson 34.7, Thomas 31.6, Murphy 31.4, Lobbe 29.10, Kruezer 29.7, Curnow 29.1
Dow 19.2, O'Brien 19.3, Williamson 20.0, Fisher 20.6, Macreadie 20.8, Polson 20.9, Petrevski-Seton 20.10, McKay 21.0, Silvagni 21.0, Weitering 21.1, Kennedy 21.8, Cunningham 21.9, Curnow 21.10, Marchbank 22.0, Goddard 22.4, Pickett 22.4, Garlett 22.7
Geelong (6)
Ablett Jnr 34.7, Taylor 32.6, Selwood 30.7, Hawkins 30.5, Tuohy 29.0, Henderson 29.0
Fogarty 19.8, Jones 20.3, Henry 20.4, Ratugolea 20.5, Guthrie 20.6, Simpson 20.6, Parfitt 20.8, Narkle 21.0, Parsons 21.8, O'Conner 21.11, Cockatoo 22.2, Cunico 22.7, Buzza 22.9
GWS (5)
Shaw 33.1, Mumford 32.5, Deledio 31.8, Simpson 29.10, Reid 29.1
Taylor 19.7, Daniels 19.9, Perryman 20.0, Taranto 20.11, Hopper 21.10, Himmelberg 22.7, Finlayson 22.10
Richmond (5)
Grigg 30.8, Houli 30.7, Edwards 30.2, Riewoldt, 30.2, Rance, 29.2
Higgins 19.9, Bolton 20.0, Graham 20.10, Rioli 21.8, Menadue 22.3, Moore, 22.3, Castagna 22.5, Butler 22.6, Soldo 22.8, Short 22.11
West Coast (5)
Kennedy 31.4, Hurn 31.3, Schofield 29.11, Masten 29.7, Jetta 29.7
Venables 20.1, Waterman 20.7, Cole 21.7, Duggan 22.0, Ryan 22.2, Nelson 22.9
Western Bulldogs (5)
Morris 36.0, Pickin 32.5, Dickson 31.3, Suckling 30.5, Wood 29.3
Naughton 19.1, Richards 19.5, Young 20.0, Lipinski 20.5, Greene 21.0, Williams 21.2, Schache 21.4, English 21.4, Dunkley 21.11, Cordy 22.2, Smith 22.3, Dale 22.5, Daniel 22.5, Gowers 22.6, Webb 22.9, McLean 22.11
Brisbane (4)
Hodge 34.6, Martin 32.1, Zorko 29.10, Robinson 29.6
Raynar 19.2, Bailey 19.3, Witherden 20.3, Allison 20.8, McLuggage 20.9, Berry 20.10, Hipwood 21.3, Cox 21.4, Keays 21.10, Mathieson 21.11, Andrews 22.0
Essendon (4)
Baguley 31.7, Hooker 30.2, Myers 29.6, Bellchambers 29.5
Begley 20.5, McGrath 20.6, Redman 21.4, Guelfi 21.4, Francis 21.4, Parish 21.5, Lanford 22.1, Laverde 22.8, McKenna 22.9, Long 22.10
North Melbourne (4)
Thompson 32.7, Higgins 30.9, Goldstein 30.5, Tarrant 29.8
Davies-Uniacke 19.6, Simpkin 20.9, Ahern 22.4, Durdin 22.6, Vickers-Willis 22.9
Port Adelaide (4)
Westhoff 32.2, Ryder 30.9. Gray 30.9, Boak 30.5
Farrell 19.9, Marshall 20.2, Powell-Pepper 20.11, Johnson 21.2, Houston 21.6, Bonner 21.9, Burton 21.10, Howard 22.9
Fremantle (3)
Sandilands 36.0, Mundy 33.5, Ballantyne 31.5
Brayshaw 19.1, Cerra 19.2, Crowden 19.8, Giro 19.9, Cox 20.4, Carcy 20.5, Duman 20.8, Logue 20.8, Banfield 20.10, Tucker 20,11, Nyhuis 22.3, Blakey 22.9, Ryan 22.10, Langdon 22.11
Gold Coast (3)
Rischitelli 32.0, Harbrow 30.5, Hanley 30.1
Heron 19.0, Powell 19.4, Crossley 19.4, Ballard 19.5, Brodie 20.4, Ainsworth 20.10, Bowes 20.11, Macpherson 21.2, Ah Chee 21.2, Fiorini 21.4, Joyce 21.4, Schoenfield 21.5, Ellis 22.2, Wright 22.3, Weller 22.10, Miller 22.10
Melbourne (3)
Lewis 32.8, Jones 30.11, Garlett 29.4
Spargo 19.1, Oliver 21.5, Weiderman 21.6, Wagner 21.9, Fritsch 22.0, Stretch 22.3, O.McDonald 22.9, Lever 22.9, Smith 22.10, Neal-Bullen 22.11
St Kilda (3)
Armitage 30.6, Geary 30.6, Brown 30.0
Coffield 19.2, Clark 19.9, Battle 20.4, Phillips 20.9, Gresham 21.4, Long 21.4, Rice 21.10, Lonie 22.4, McKenzie 22.7, McCartin 22.8
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/which-team-is-in-most-trouble-age-wise-2018-edition.1184604/
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/who-has-the-best-youth-2018-edition.1183020/
but I am changing that up this year as I think it would be better to combine them, and compare the older players of a club directly with their younger players, and see who might be retiring soon and who they may have to replace them.
So a few rules on why I am picking certain players and why I am not picking others.
The cut off date is going to be the 1st of January 2019, so I am going to assume, age-wise, that it is the 1st of January 2019.
Now, for the older players if they are going to be 29 or older on the 1.1.19 then they will make the list as 29 is about the age where players can start slowing down.
For the younger players there are two criteria
- Have to be under 23 at the 1.1.19
- Have to of played at least 5 games
I include the last criterium because otherwise I am including rookies and new draft picks that ultimately no one knows if they will succeed or not. Having played at least 5 games there is at least a little body of work to discuss.
The basic pemise is which teams are going to have the most trouble replacing their older players with their younger players? Which teams just don't have the youth coming through to replace the players that will be retiring in the next few years. It isn't just about numbers either, as one team might have fairly average older players who are easier to replace, but another team might have huge numbers of younger players but none of them are that good.
I also apologise in advance if I got any of the below information wrong as it is very possible I have missed a few things. I almost missed Rischitelli for instance as he got picked up in the rookie draft but footywire has spelt his name wrong in the re-rookie process so his age and stats did not come up.
I have given everyone 3 choices in the poll, just to get more of a range of opinions.
So to get started
Hawthorn (10)
Burgoyne 36.2, Roughead 31.11, Puopolo 32.0, Birchall 30.11, Henderson 30.3, Frawley 30.3, Mohr 30.2, Smith 30.0, Stratton, 29.9, McEvoy 29.4
Worpel 19.11, Morrison 20.1, Nash 20.5, Cousins 20.8, Glass 21.3, Hardwick 21.10, Miles 22.1, Pittonet 22.6
Collingwood (8)
Wells 33.10, Dunn 31.7, Goldsack 31.7, Pendlebury 30.11, Varco 30.8, Mayne 30.1, Greenwood, 29.10, Reid 29.8
Appleby 19.11, Stephenson 19.11, Daicos 20.1, Brown 20.8, Sier 21.1, Murray 21.3, Crocker 21.10, Maynard 22.3, Phillips 22.7, De Goey 22.9, Moore 22.11
Sydney (8)
McVeigh 33.8, Grundy 32.6, Franklin 31.11, Tippett 31.7, Jack 31.6, Smith 30.6, Kennedy 30.6, Sinclair 29.3
McCartin 19.0, Hayward 20.2, Florent 20.5, Ronke 21.0, Clarke 21.6, Dawson 21.8, Mills 21.8, Melican 22.1, Papley 22.5, Heeney 22.7, Rose 22.8
Adelaide (7)
Betts 32.1, Douglas 31.10, Jacobs 30.8, MacKay 30.5, Jenkins 29.10, Gibbs 29.9, Otton 29.7
Fogarty 19.3, Murphy 20.0, Poholke 20.5, Gallucci 20.7, Milera 21.3, Doedee 21.10
Carlton (6)
Simpson 34.7, Thomas 31.6, Murphy 31.4, Lobbe 29.10, Kruezer 29.7, Curnow 29.1
Dow 19.2, O'Brien 19.3, Williamson 20.0, Fisher 20.6, Macreadie 20.8, Polson 20.9, Petrevski-Seton 20.10, McKay 21.0, Silvagni 21.0, Weitering 21.1, Kennedy 21.8, Cunningham 21.9, Curnow 21.10, Marchbank 22.0, Goddard 22.4, Pickett 22.4, Garlett 22.7
Geelong (6)
Ablett Jnr 34.7, Taylor 32.6, Selwood 30.7, Hawkins 30.5, Tuohy 29.0, Henderson 29.0
Fogarty 19.8, Jones 20.3, Henry 20.4, Ratugolea 20.5, Guthrie 20.6, Simpson 20.6, Parfitt 20.8, Narkle 21.0, Parsons 21.8, O'Conner 21.11, Cockatoo 22.2, Cunico 22.7, Buzza 22.9
GWS (5)
Shaw 33.1, Mumford 32.5, Deledio 31.8, Simpson 29.10, Reid 29.1
Taylor 19.7, Daniels 19.9, Perryman 20.0, Taranto 20.11, Hopper 21.10, Himmelberg 22.7, Finlayson 22.10
Richmond (5)
Grigg 30.8, Houli 30.7, Edwards 30.2, Riewoldt, 30.2, Rance, 29.2
Higgins 19.9, Bolton 20.0, Graham 20.10, Rioli 21.8, Menadue 22.3, Moore, 22.3, Castagna 22.5, Butler 22.6, Soldo 22.8, Short 22.11
West Coast (5)
Kennedy 31.4, Hurn 31.3, Schofield 29.11, Masten 29.7, Jetta 29.7
Venables 20.1, Waterman 20.7, Cole 21.7, Duggan 22.0, Ryan 22.2, Nelson 22.9
Western Bulldogs (5)
Morris 36.0, Pickin 32.5, Dickson 31.3, Suckling 30.5, Wood 29.3
Naughton 19.1, Richards 19.5, Young 20.0, Lipinski 20.5, Greene 21.0, Williams 21.2, Schache 21.4, English 21.4, Dunkley 21.11, Cordy 22.2, Smith 22.3, Dale 22.5, Daniel 22.5, Gowers 22.6, Webb 22.9, McLean 22.11
Brisbane (4)
Hodge 34.6, Martin 32.1, Zorko 29.10, Robinson 29.6
Raynar 19.2, Bailey 19.3, Witherden 20.3, Allison 20.8, McLuggage 20.9, Berry 20.10, Hipwood 21.3, Cox 21.4, Keays 21.10, Mathieson 21.11, Andrews 22.0
Essendon (4)
Baguley 31.7, Hooker 30.2, Myers 29.6, Bellchambers 29.5
Begley 20.5, McGrath 20.6, Redman 21.4, Guelfi 21.4, Francis 21.4, Parish 21.5, Lanford 22.1, Laverde 22.8, McKenna 22.9, Long 22.10
North Melbourne (4)
Thompson 32.7, Higgins 30.9, Goldstein 30.5, Tarrant 29.8
Davies-Uniacke 19.6, Simpkin 20.9, Ahern 22.4, Durdin 22.6, Vickers-Willis 22.9
Port Adelaide (4)
Westhoff 32.2, Ryder 30.9. Gray 30.9, Boak 30.5
Farrell 19.9, Marshall 20.2, Powell-Pepper 20.11, Johnson 21.2, Houston 21.6, Bonner 21.9, Burton 21.10, Howard 22.9
Fremantle (3)
Sandilands 36.0, Mundy 33.5, Ballantyne 31.5
Brayshaw 19.1, Cerra 19.2, Crowden 19.8, Giro 19.9, Cox 20.4, Carcy 20.5, Duman 20.8, Logue 20.8, Banfield 20.10, Tucker 20,11, Nyhuis 22.3, Blakey 22.9, Ryan 22.10, Langdon 22.11
Gold Coast (3)
Rischitelli 32.0, Harbrow 30.5, Hanley 30.1
Heron 19.0, Powell 19.4, Crossley 19.4, Ballard 19.5, Brodie 20.4, Ainsworth 20.10, Bowes 20.11, Macpherson 21.2, Ah Chee 21.2, Fiorini 21.4, Joyce 21.4, Schoenfield 21.5, Ellis 22.2, Wright 22.3, Weller 22.10, Miller 22.10
Melbourne (3)
Lewis 32.8, Jones 30.11, Garlett 29.4
Spargo 19.1, Oliver 21.5, Weiderman 21.6, Wagner 21.9, Fritsch 22.0, Stretch 22.3, O.McDonald 22.9, Lever 22.9, Smith 22.10, Neal-Bullen 22.11
St Kilda (3)
Armitage 30.6, Geary 30.6, Brown 30.0
Coffield 19.2, Clark 19.9, Battle 20.4, Phillips 20.9, Gresham 21.4, Long 21.4, Rice 21.10, Lonie 22.4, McKenzie 22.7, McCartin 22.8
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