Which team list would you least want?

Which team list would you least want?

  • Adelaide

    Votes: 129 20.8%
  • Brisbane

    Votes: 5 0.8%
  • Carlton

    Votes: 19 3.1%
  • Collingwood

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Essendon

    Votes: 106 17.1%
  • Fremantle

    Votes: 15 2.4%
  • Geelong

    Votes: 33 5.3%
  • Gold Coast

    Votes: 42 6.8%
  • GWS

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Hawthorn

    Votes: 38 6.1%
  • Melbourne

    Votes: 16 2.6%
  • North Melbourne

    Votes: 92 14.8%
  • Port Adelaide

    Votes: 17 2.7%
  • Richmond

    Votes: 14 2.3%
  • St Kilda

    Votes: 57 9.2%
  • Sydney

    Votes: 22 3.5%
  • West Coast

    Votes: 6 1.0%
  • Western Bulldogs

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Total voters
    620

Tenny

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Here we go again. 2019 R16 Witts 36 hitouts Soldo 25.

I know "Hardwick doesn't like hitouts"
Soldo shared the load with Chol that day. Witts does most of it himself. Have the number of ruck contests attended out of curiosity?
 

Yojimbo

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Trying to think if Essendon win any of those matchups. Maybe a couple.
True, just taking the pi55, but the whole list versus system and belief is valid. Kane Lambert is a magnificent
example unwanted to third in the B&F in a Premiership year, is he that much better or is it a matter of fitting
a role with clarity provided in a great system that enhances his strengths ?
 

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HairyO

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True, just taking the pi55, but the whole list versus system and belief is valid. Kane Lambert is a magnificent
example unwanted to third in the B&F in a Premiership year, is he that much better or is it a matter of fitting
a role with clarity provided in a great system that enhances his strengths ?
Absolutely its about roles, and putting together a list that best complements the skills and abilities of all the players.
 

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Dougal Howard is a brilliant pick up for the saints, and Rowan Marshall is gold. Hill is one of the best two way runners in the comp.

Having said that, very few people would have faith in Hanners or Carlisle getting back to their best, due to injury. Jack Steven is a big loss even if he did miss a fair chunk of 2019.
That post was with regards to how much of our salary cap they're all taking up though, and Carlisle (whether he gets back to his best or not- he probably won't, but even close to his best he's still very good) is in the last year of his contract, whereas Hannas probably won't play enough games (especially after missing 17 last season) to trigger the 5th year on his deal, so it's likely just 3 more years for him, and it's probably a front-ended deal.

It's obviously likely that he too won't get back to his best (as it looks like Sydney ran him into the ground until he broke!), but the form he showed once we "rebuilt him" last year was very encouraging, and if he just keeps playing to that sort of level for 2-3 more years, we'd take that.

Probably the main reason we got him was for his experience and leadership (on field and on-track at least, which is said to be exceptional), so getting him back playing anywhere near his very best footy for an extended period would just be a bonus.

As for Steven, obviously we would have much preferred to have kept him, but he only played 7 games last year, 1 of them was not of AFL standard, and only 2 of them were anywhere near his best, so even a full season out of a Zac Jones would be a big upgrade on Jack's 2019 contribution.
 
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Soldo shared the load with Chol that day. Witts does most of it himself. Have the number of ruck contests attended out of curiosity?
In the end it doesn't matter because I highly doubt that many non-Richmond supporters would rate Soldo over Witts.

Yet you got all offended when I dared to suggest that perhaps Soldo would have his place threatened by Witts in a hypothetical Richmond/GC side.
 

Elmer_Judd

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I've actually noticed teams have a far better success rate while tagging Hunter and JJ instead of Macrae. He's both difficult to tag, and can be covered by Dunkley if needed (whereas we have no suitable replacements if Hunter and JJ go missing)
Tim English is probably a season or two away from tearing teams apart in the ruck.

Dare say, he was more advanced than Brodie Grundy at the same age, once he starts to tap into his potential, the Dogs mids will be a bit more difficult to tag/contain, I believe.

And then there is Bailey Smith and his expected growth. Doggies are in very healthy shape for a sustained flag tilt over the next decade, I reckon..
 

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In the end it doesn't matter because I highly doubt that many non-Richmond supporters would rate Soldo over Witts.

Yet you got all offended when I dared to suggest that perhaps Soldo would have his place threatened by Witts in a hypothetical Richmond/GC side.
I’m sorry, but you’ve already outed yourself as a casual Richmond watcher so your opinion on all things Richmond related don’t carry much weight, therefore they don’t have the capacity to “offend” me. I also suspect you’re extremely bitter over our recent success (like every other West Coast fan on here) and that further reduces your credibility.

Lastly, you seem hell bent on engaging me and forcing your opinion down my throat, so perhaps I could save you some time by politely informing you that I don’t really give a shit what you think.
 

old55

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Soldo shared the load with Chol that day. Witts does most of it himself. Have the number of ruck contests attended out of curiosity?
Chol had 9 hitouts and so did Sam Day.

Maybe R20 was another match Soldo dominated the ruck? Let's see - Gawn 26, Preuss 17, Soldo 14, Chol 6. Nope!

Soldo is just one of those few lucky duds carried to a flag by a talented team
 

Tenny

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Chol had 9 hitouts and so did Sam Day.

Maybe R20 was another match Soldo dominated the ruck? Let's see - Gawn 26, Preuss 17, Soldo 14, Chol 6. Nope!

Soldo is just one of those few lucky duds carried to a flag by a talented team
Tell me how many ruck contests they all attended each game or stfu.
 

OffTheBit

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After reviewing the new list changes I have come to the conclusion that I would least want Richmond's list. Only decent things I noticed was an assistant coach or two and a board member. Its actually hilarious and fitting of this WTF period we're in as a world that they've won 2 flags. So yeah, Richmond
 

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I’m sorry, but you’ve already outed yourself as a casual Richmond watcher so your opinion on all things Richmond related don’t carry much weight, therefore they don’t have the capacity to “offend” me. I also suspect you’re extremely bitter over our recent success (like every other West Coast fan on here) and that further reduces your credibility.

Lastly, you seem hell bent on engaging me and forcing your opinion down my throat, so perhaps I could save you some time by politely informing you that I don’t really give a shit what you think.
For someone who purports not to give a shit you decided to post that nonsensical rant without even bothering to address the content of the post? So would Witts not displace Soldo in the 2019 premiership side?

Maybe you're best suited to troll in the Bay if you are so sensitive to dissenting opinions.

Enjoy mate.
 

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Chol had 9 hitouts and so did Sam Day.

Maybe R20 was another match Soldo dominated the ruck? Let's see - Gawn 26, Preuss 17, Soldo 14, Chol 6. Nope!

Soldo is just one of those few lucky duds carried to a flag by a talented team
Not even Hawthorn supporters at our arrogant best ever claimed that premiership ruckman Brent Renouf was equal to one of the top 5 rucks in the league

Even the worst teams would always manage to get 4 or 5 into the best teams side
 

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True, just taking the pi55, but the whole list versus system and belief is valid. Kane Lambert is a magnificent
example unwanted to third in the B&F in a Premiership year, is he that much better or is it a matter of fitting
a role with clarity provided in a great system that enhances his strengths ?
Agreed-the tigers flag had 7 players who started as rookies in the flag last year and the first ever category B rookies premiership player-not bad given they have only had one top ten pick in the past decade (vlastiun)
 

Tenny

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For someone who purports not to give a shit you decided to post that nonsensical rant without even bothering to address the content of the post? So would Witts not displace Soldo in the 2019 premiership side?

Maybe you're best suited to troll in the Bay if you are so sensitive to dissenting opinions.

Enjoy mate.
I could’ve sworn I made it abundantly clear what my opinion on the topic was. Maybe read over the last few pages because going round in circles doesn’t interest me.

You keep spouting the “offended” drivel, yet you’re telling me to go to the Bay. Isn’t that the exact kind of crap that posters over there resort to? Ironic. Maybe take your own advice, kiddo.

I’ve debated the topic at hand, you’ve added nothing worthwhile responding to. You’ve just made it perfectly clear you don’t adequately watch Richmond and you have it in for Richmond, so why should I take you seriously again?
 

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Tell me how many ruck contests they all attended each game or stfu.
Are you truly, seriously trying to buy Soldo a pass by claiming that Chol attended the majority of ruck contests against both GC and Melbourne and that explains his low tap out numbers?
 

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I could’ve sworn I made it abundantly clear what my opinion on the topic was. Maybe read over the last few pages because going round in circles doesn’t interest me.

You keep spouting the “offended” drivel, yet you’re telling me to go to the Bay. Isn’t that the exact kind of crap that posters over there resort to? Ironic. Maybe take your own advice, kiddo.

I’ve debated the topic at hand, you’ve added nothing worthwhile responding to. You’ve just made it perfectly clear you don’t adequately watch Richmond and you have it in for Richmond, so why should I take you seriously again?
Not even answering the question.

Who is the one posting 'nothing worthwhile' and 'drivel' then?

Take a chill pill mate. Kiddo? Haven't heard that for years.

As posted above by you - either address my very relevant post or stfu.
 

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It is hard to predict what will happen from season to season let alone years from now. But currently I would rate North Melbourne, Saints and Adelaide the worst. Gc and Carlton are a bit higher because of all the highly rated kids, but it remains to be seen just how good they are.

Then there is a big group of teams I place on a similar level: Essendon, Hawthorn, Port, Sydney, Melbourne, Fremantle. Tempted to put Geelong here too, even if they are a lot more proven. I would have trouble picking who are most likely to win a premiership first out of that lot.

Essendon's list is average, but not as bad as people are saying here. There are holes, and obviously due to trading away draft picks there is a lack of quality youth. But there is a good group of 21-27 year olds which we can build on. The list is clearly ahead of a fair few other teams imo.
 
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Tenny

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Not even answering the question.

Who is the one posting 'nothing worthwhile' and 'drivel' then?

Take a chill pill mate. Kiddo? Haven't heard that for years.

As posted above by you - either address my very relevant post or stfu.
Why are you asking a question I have already answered? Do you lack basic comprehension or do you just enjoy wasting people’s time? If you chose to ignore my answer, then that’s your problem. Not mine.

I have obviously struck a nerve somewhere along the way with you. Watching you use this thread as a let out has been highly amusing :)
 

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Are you truly, seriously trying to buy Soldo a pass by claiming that Chol attended the majority of ruck contests against both GC and Melbourne and that explains his low tap out numbers?
I didn’t say Chol attended the majority of hitouts. I also never said Soldo defeated Gawn. Stop twisting my words.

Found the ruck contest attendance numbers yet?
 

old55

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I didn’t say Chol attended the majority of hitouts. I also never said Soldo defeated Gawn. Stop twisting my words.

Found the ruck contest attendance numbers yet?
Chol definitely didn't attend the most hitouts - 15 across 2 matches, even less that Soldo's terrible numbers. He must be bad.
 

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Watching you use this thread as a let out has been highly amusing :)
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But sure, it's me using this thread a 'let out'.

My original point, which I still stand by, is that it's ridiculous to think no one in the Gold Coast side would have a claim to a spot in the Richmond first 22.

Keep on trucking champ.
 

Tenny

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Chol definitely didn't attend the most hitouts - 15 across 2 matches, even less that Soldo's terrible numbers. He must be bad.
I never said he did. Unless you can provide me the numbers I am asking of you then you’ve got no evidence to support this claim and you’re merely guessing. And if that’s the case then you’re wasting my time.

Cheers
 

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