Which team out of Adelaide, North and Hawthorn has the better youth?

[SSSSSS]

Hawthorn > Adelaide > North.

Really like what Adelaide is building minus the coach. Very good balanced side and hopefully will start filling in some holes.

 

[Soggy2112]

Hawthorn > Adelaide > North.

Really like what Adelaide is building minus the coach. Very good balanced side and hopefully will start filling in some holes.

Where do you find a Sam Mitchell? Asking for a friend

 

[SSSSSS]

Where do you find a Sam Mitchell? Asking for a friend

Same place you find a Craig McRae.

 

[1990crow]

Same place you find a Craig McRae.

Until your team wins a flag the coach is unproven and no certainty to deliver.

I firmly believe personnel goes most of the way to winning one.

 

[BuddysBiggestFan]

Another great game from Ward.
Newcombe breaking the tag in his 26th game.
Macdonald and Butler very lively.
Moore and Morrison ever reliable.
Nash huge in the first half.
Finn showed two sides of the coin. Shutdown tagger and ball winner in two different halves.

Gee future is looking bright. Not a bad effort with our senior players putting in a poor showing and our key forward injuring himself in the first contest of the game.

Jealousy doesn't look good on you Psicosis

Yeah our list is amazing.

Somehow Geelong manage to stay at the top every season, and where we languishing the last 3 or 4 years down the bottom. Our kids are no good, like boys against men against a Geelong side. As I’ve said before the whole list management should be sacked.

DGB pick 5 and can’t get a game, constantly in and out of the side. Maginness, MacDonald,Buer, Kozshitzke, Morrison, etc are our future? * it’s going to be a long decade. Thank god Newcombe, Moore and Lewis prop this team up. We’d be smashed each week otherwise.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Yeah our list is amazing.

Somehow Geelong manage to stay at the top every season, and where we languishing the last 3 or 4 years down the bottom. Our kids are no good, like boys against men against a Geelong side. As I’ve said before the whole list management should be sacked.

DGB pick 5 and can’t get a game, constantly in and out of the side. Maginness, MacDonald,Buer, Kozshitzke, Morrison, etc are our future? * it’s going to be a long decade. Thank god Newcombe, Moore and Lewis prop this team up. We’d be smashed each week otherwise.

You’re the same clown that said Ward was a bust and McKenzie needed to be sacked.

You’re either an alias troll or you’re not very bright. Maybe both.

 

[Randy Campbell]

Where do you find a Sam Mitchell? Asking for a friend

Box Hill, he found us.

 

[Randy Campbell]

Talent and youth are both wasted on the young.

 

[Golumless]

With three games left (and how two of those games are against North/WCE, so everything feels rather locked in now as both clubs are likely racing to the bottom), I feel like this is a good time to assess how Adelaides youth pool (+ some interesting 24 y.o.) went in 2022. As per always, it's a mixed bag.

Impressive years:

Fogarty: Quite possibly the most important development Adelaide had this year as from the game against Geelong, he's averaged 11 disposals/4.4 marks/2.2 goals. He's also starting to show off that x-factor, agility and surprisingly speed that could turn him into a very dangerous player moving forward, if he backs up this season.

Rachele: Announced he could be a star in his first month after a round 1 debut. Faded afterwards as a likely result of the COVID years, Adelaide down turn in form and general wear and tear catching up with him. Still, an excellent season considering.

Soligo: The other round 1 debutant from the 2021 draft and honestly, he wasn't ready, playing two nothing games before being punted (and four promising but far from ready games in the SANFL). That was until he beat up on West Adelaide with a 29 disp/7 cl/1 goal/13 tackle performance, won his spot back and has been riding a wave of momentum since, going at 15.7 disposals /1.8 clearances /0.5 goals/250 meters per game/3.4 score involvements. Looks a serious midfield prospect moving forward.

Berry: Speaking of serious midfield prospects moving forward, Berry forced his way into the midfield after some scintillating performances in the SANFL and has been reliable since going at 17.5 disposals/4.2 clearances/9.8 tackles/3.2 score involvements. Hell of a second season from Berry.

Good years:

Butts: Meteoric rise last year and has consolidated that this campaign. The big thing is he's generating more intercepts, going up from 4.7 to 5.7 per game, which is vital as he's never going to be the Talia like stopper against the best key forwards.

Murray: Good consolidation campaign. Won out the 2nd key defender spot and is generating more marks and intercepts, on top of being a monster one on one player. Ticked every box he needed to in my book.

Hinge: Finally was healthy and has been a feature in Adelaide side which is all you could really ask for this year. Adds a good amount of speed, skill and toughness to the defensive and outside unit, though suffers through not getting enough ball. Next year is vital for Mitch and could be one to watch if Adelaide begins to track upwards.

Parnell: Mr. Reliable in the SANFL for the first half of the season, then took Browns spot midway through the year and has not looked out of place at AFL level. Provided a bit of run and carry when able and has not been humiliated by any small forwards. Fair bit to build off from his first full season.

Gollant: 7 games at AFL level this year and whilst he showed a bit with his competitiveness, his high watermark was the 4 goals he got against Port Adelaide and ended at 7 disp/1 goal (if he doesn't get a recall). So far, played 8 games in the SANFL going at 8.9 disposals/1.8 goals and cementing that he's too good for that competition as a third tall. A good third year considering that Gollant was a project player, however he's approaching an important 2023 as he needs to dislodge McAdam. A lights out finals series in the SANFL probably does that.

Taylor: A broken hand threatened to derail Taylors season, however he's starting to string a few good games together and looking a class midfielder to boot. Probably unlucky to miss out on a debut after his game against North Adelaide. Could be a smoky for a debut in the next three weeks.

Nankervis: Showed throughout the SANFL season so far that he's got a very bright future ahead of him as a tough as nails outside midfielder with a ton of x-factor. Been a key factor in Adelaide being 3rd at the moment.

Newchurch: Very unlucky to have not debut by this point as he's had a very good year, currently culminating in an excellent 20 disposal/4 goal performance against South Adelaide. Faded in the last month, but if we're legit his star has risen and at worse, should be in a very good position for an early 2023 debut.

Middling:

Thilthorpe: As it stands, he didn't have the campaign we/he hoped for. Absolutely crushed the SANFL in his small stint there and looked like a 2nd year key forward slowly working it out at AFL level.

Cook: After a meteoric back end of 2021, Cook took a bit of a step back in 2022. 8 games in the AFL where he showed a bit of class, and 8 in the SANFL which were solid but not outstanding. Developing nicely as an outside year, but after last year having a slower developmental year feels a bit disappointing. A player to watch in the upcoming SANFL finals series though.

Schoenberg: Looks like a player who has brought a lot of external stress into this year as he lost that razor sharpness and poise he had in the previous two years. That said, he's looked like he's slowly regaining it in the last month, so I'm willing to call this year a scratch.

Jones: There was a bit expected of Jones off the half back flank seeing he looked rather solid last year, however, he fizzled into a year where only minor improvements were seen.

McHenry: The most disappointing player for mine this campaign, seeing I kind of expected a bit of a breakout into being a good two way forward at the end of last year where he strung together a good month. Still, there have been minor improvements and he's morphed into a genuinely average small forward.

Milera: Has so far survived this campaign after two ACLs and things are slowly coming back. This year is a scratch, but again this is a lad who could play a rather important hand in any 2023 spike if he stays healthy.

Hamill: Same story as Milera, except concussions instead of ACLs.

Pedlar: Had an interesting campaign. Couple of sub performances at AFL and a solid SANFL year so far, but solid in the sense that it was so hot and cold it averaged out. Key for Pedlar is to stay healthy this preseason and try to win a small forward/half forward spot next campaign (and then build into the midfield), though much like Gollant, this task becomes a whole lot easier with a lights out finals series.

Regressed:

Hately: Bit weird to say that he's regressed after a 11 game season where he averaged 19.9 disposals considering last year, but for me he has, as it was a stretch that really confirmed to me that Hately has nothing to really offer a side at an AFL level. Vanilla big bodied mid.

McPherson: Lost his spot early and hasn't looked like winning it back at all this year. Looks a monty to be delisted next year.

Murphy/Rowe: Both had very similar years, some really solid games but lacked consistency. Two players who are living in no-mans land and done little to kick out of it this year. Rowe is probably closer to kicking out of it out of the two.

Trade Bait:

McAsey: He has some promise as a key forward after a switch this year and there might be some potential of being a poor mans Naughton there. That said, it's hard to see where he breaks into the side without injuries, seeing his star has really fallen in this set up.

Worrell: Will be a good to potentially excellent intercepting third tall, however Adelaide has Doedee and has showed little appetite to move Doedee away from third tall. Done everything you could have asked of him this campaign so far. As it stands, trade bait, but his game against Carlton may have been a career saver at Adelaide.

Sholl: Middling season from Sholl as he fell out of favour as the year went on, which is a shame as he's done a solid job at either AFL or SANFL level. The joys of being a flawed outside midfielder.

Delist fodder:

Borlace & Davis: They both have done alright at SANFL level this year.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

With three games left (and how two of those games are against North/WCE, so everything feels rather locked in now as both clubs are likely racing to the bottom), I feel like this is a good time to assess how Adelaides youth pool (+ some interesting 24 y.o.) went in 2022. As per always, it's a mixed bag.

Impressive years:

Fogarty: Quite possibly the most important development Adelaide had this year as from the game against Geelong, he's averaged 11 disposals/4.4 marks/2.2 goals. He's also starting to show off that x-factor, agility and surprisingly speed that could turn him into a very dangerous player moving forward, if he backs up this season.

Rachele: Announced he could be a star in his first month after a round 1 debut. Faded afterwards as a likely result of the COVID years, Adelaide down turn in form and general wear and tear catching up with him. Still, an excellent season considering.

Soligo: The other round 1 debutant from the 2021 draft and honestly, he wasn't ready, playing two nothing games before being punted (and four promising but far from ready games in the SANFL). That was until he beat up on West Adelaide with a 29 disp/7 cl/1 goal/13 tackle performance, won his spot back and has been riding a wave of momentum since, going at 15.7 disposals /1.8 clearances /0.5 goals/250 meters per game/3.4 score involvements. Looks a serious midfield prospect moving forward.

Berry: Speaking of serious midfield prospects moving forward, Berry forced his way into the midfield after some scintillating performances in the SANFL and has been reliable since going at 17.5 disposals/4.2 clearances/9.8 tackles/3.2 score involvements. Hell of a second season from Berry.

Good years:

Butts: Meteoric rise last year and has consolidated that this campaign. The big thing is he's generating more intercepts, going up from 4.7 to 5.7 per game, which is vital as he's never going to be the Talia like stopper against the best key forwards.

Murray: Good consolidation campaign. Won out the 2nd key defender spot and is generating more marks and intercepts, on top of being a monster one on one player. Ticked every box he needed to in my book.

Hinge: Finally was healthy and has been a feature in Adelaide side which is all you could really ask for this year. Adds a good amount of speed, skill and toughness to the defensive and outside unit, though suffers through not getting enough ball. Next year is vital for Mitch and could be one to watch if Adelaide begins to track upwards.

Parnell: Mr. Reliable in the SANFL for the first half of the season, then took Browns spot midway through the year and has not looked out of place at AFL level. Provided a bit of run and carry when able and has not been humiliated by any small forwards. Fair bit to build off from his first full season.

Gollant: 7 games at AFL level this year and whilst he showed a bit with his competitiveness, his high watermark was the 4 goals he got against Port Adelaide and ended at 7 disp/1 goal (if he doesn't get a recall). So far, played 8 games in the SANFL going at 8.9 disposals/1.8 goals and cementing that he's too good for that competition as a third tall. A good third year considering that Gollant was a project player, however he's approaching an important 2023 as he needs to dislodge McAdam. A lights out finals series in the SANFL probably does that.

Taylor: A broken hand threatened to derail Taylors season, however he's starting to string a few good games together and looking a class midfielder to boot. Probably unlucky to miss out on a debut after his game against North Adelaide. Could be a smoky for a debut in the next three weeks.

Nankervis: Showed throughout the SANFL season so far that he's got a very bright future ahead of him as a tough as nails outside midfielder with a ton of x-factor. Been a key factor in Adelaide being 3rd at the moment.

Newchurch: Very unlucky to have not debut by this point as he's had a very good year, currently culminating in an excellent 20 disposal/4 goal performance against South Adelaide. Faded in the last month, but if we're legit his star has risen and at worse, should be in a very good position for an early 2023 debut.

Middling:

Thilthorpe: As it stands, he didn't have the campaign we/he hoped for. Absolutely crushed the SANFL in his small stint there and looked like a 2nd year key forward slowly working it out at AFL level.

Cook: After a meteoric back end of 2021, Cook took a bit of a step back in 2022. 8 games in the AFL where he showed a bit of class, and 8 in the SANFL which were solid but not outstanding. Developing nicely as an outside year, but after last year having a slower developmental year feels a bit disappointing. A player to watch in the upcoming SANFL finals series though.

Schoenberg: Looks like a player who has brought a lot of external stress into this year as he lost that razor sharpness and poise he had in the previous two years. That said, he's looked like he's slowly regaining it in the last month, so I'm willing to call this year a scratch.

Jones: There was a bit expected of Jones off the half back flank seeing he looked rather solid last year, however, he fizzled into a year where only minor improvements were seen.

McHenry: The most disappointing player for mine this campaign, seeing I kind of expected a bit of a breakout into being a good two way forward at the end of last year where he strung together a good month. Still, there have been minor improvements and he's morphed into a genuinely average small forward.

Milera: Has so far survived this campaign after two ACLs and things are slowly coming back. This year is a scratch, but again this is a lad who could play a rather important hand in any 2023 spike if he stays healthy.

Hamill: Same story as Milera, except concussions instead of ACLs.

Pedlar: Had an interesting campaign. Couple of sub performances at AFL and a solid SANFL year so far, but solid in the sense that it was so hot and cold it averaged out. Key for Pedlar is to stay healthy this preseason and try to win a small forward/half forward spot next campaign (and then build into the midfield), though much like Gollant, this task becomes a whole lot easier with a lights out finals series.

Regressed:

Hately: Bit weird to say that he's regressed after a 11 game season where he averaged 19.9 disposals considering last year, but for me he has, as it was a stretch that really confirmed to me that Hately has nothing to really offer a side at an AFL level. Vanilla big bodied mid.

McPherson: Lost his spot early and hasn't looked like winning it back at all this year. Looks a monty to be delisted next year.

Murphy/Rowe: Both had very similar years, some really solid games but lacked consistency. Two players who are living in no-mans land and done little to kick out of it this year. Rowe is probably closer to kicking out of it out of the two.

Trade Bait:

McAsey: He has some promise as a key forward after a switch this year and there might be some potential of being a poor mans Naughton there. That said, it's hard to see where he breaks into the side without injuries, seeing his star has really fallen in this set up.

Worrell: Will be a good to potentially excellent intercepting third tall, however Adelaide has Doedee and has showed little appetite to move Doedee away from third tall. Done everything you could have asked of him this campaign so far. As it stands, trade bait, but his game against Carlton may have been a career saver at Adelaide.

Sholl: Middling season from Sholl as he fell out of favour as the year went on, which is a shame as he's done a solid job at either AFL or SANFL level. The joys of being a flawed outside midfielder.

Delist fodder:

Borlace & Davis: They both have done alright at SANFL level this year.

Why would we trade Worrell?

Also, strange rating system with Taylor, Nankervis & Newchurch ahead of Thilthorpe, Jones, Hamill, McHenry & Cook.

 

[hk89]

Talent and youth are both wasted on the young roos

Fixed that for you.

Roos the older team today according to footywire stats. Embarrassing, although to be fair, less carried by their old folks than some other weeks.

 

[Golumless]

Why would we trade Worrell?

Also, strange rating system with Taylor, Nankervis & Newchurch ahead of Thilthorpe, Jones, Hamill, McHenry & Cook.

If we're not willing to play Worrell (either over Doedee or shift Doedee elsewhere), then its time for both parties to move on as he's shown in both his AFL and SANFL stints that he's ready for AFL football. He showed that last year to be perfectly honest.

It's how I've rated their season compared to how I expected them to go. Someone like Nankervis has clearly improved his position this year seeing his pass mark was to look ok at SANFL level, where a Thilthorpe hasn't done too much other than meet expectations seeing he's performed like a second year key forward after a very strong first year. It's not a rating of best and worst players.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

If we're not willing to play Worrell (either over Doedee or shift Doedee elsewhere), then its time for both parties to move on as he's shown in both his AFL and SANFL stints that he's ready for AFL football. He showed that last year to be perfectly honest.

It's how I've rated their season compared to their starting position. Someone like Nankervis has clearly improved his position this year seeing his pass mark was to be competent at SANFL level, where a Thilthorpe hasn't done too much other than meet expectations seeing he's performed like a second year key forward. It's not a rating of best and worst players.

Worrell showed last night he is a keeper.

He is under contract & our list management team would be morons to trade him.

Should play all games for the remainder of the year.

 

[Bradkli]

Yeah our list is amazing.

Somehow Geelong manage to stay at the top every season, and where we languishing the last 3 or 4 years down the bottom. Our kids are no good, like boys against men against a Geelong side. As I’ve said before the whole list management should be sacked.

DGB pick 5 and can’t get a game, constantly in and out of the side. Maginness, MacDonald,Buer, Kozshitzke, Morrison, etc are our future? * it’s going to be a long decade. Thank god Newcombe, Moore and Lewis prop this team up. We’d be smashed each week otherwise.

Poor post mate…whilst it hurts that Geelong are yet again going to play in a gf, we beat them earlier this year…and that was after reeves dislocated his shoulder in the second quarter having been our best player before he got hurt.

A lot of the “experts” had us winning 5 or less games this season.

We’ve won 7, lost to blues by 1, demons by 10 and led the swans at 3/4 time. We’ve also beaten the lions.

Unlike Clarkson who coached not to get thumped and selected horrible sides every week in his last few seasons, Mitchell has backed our youngsters from the get go and is coaching a game plan that will see us at least attempt to be successful in 2-3 years time…

Newcombe, Lewis, Ward, macdonald, butler, moore, scrimshaw, Maginness, blank, Morrison, jiath, reeves have all shown they will be part of our next finals side…whilst dgb and day have been incredibly disappointing , they are still young. Day has had no continuity in his game this season due to injury and suspension. With a full pre season he will be ready to take the next step in 2023… dgb is a worry currently, but he’s only 20 and still raw. Let’s judge him at the end of 2024 before writing him off.

Yes our list still has some big holes to fill but Karl Amon will be a huge inclusion next season and hopefully we end up with pick 4 or 5 where we will most likely get Harry sheezel. The future isn’t looking too bad.

 

[HairyO]

Yeah our list is amazing.

Somehow Geelong manage to stay at the top every season, and where we languishing the last 3 or 4 years down the bottom. Our kids are no good, like boys against men against a Geelong side. As I’ve said before the whole list management should be sacked.

DGB pick 5 and can’t get a game, constantly in and out of the side. Maginness, MacDonald,Buer, Kozshitzke, Morrison, etc are our future? * it’s going to be a long decade. Thank god Newcombe, Moore and Lewis prop this team up. We’d be smashed each week otherwise.

Geelong are always at the top every season, yet we have won 3 flags since they last won a flag.

Righto.

 

[Golumless]

Worrell showed last night he is a keeper.

He is under contract & our list management team would be morons to trade him.

Should play all games for the remainder of the year.

If a player shows they have something about them and are almost permanent depth, they're trade bait, and at no point in his career has Worrell ever been something other than permanent depth. He's done everything he can in the past two years mind you, but if we're not willing to move Doedee away from being an intercepting third tall, then that's it for Worrell chances of breaking into our best 22. If that's the case (it likely is), it's time to move on because getting a draft pick for Worrell is worth more then holding onto him for depth, even if contracted. Especially considering that we have a father son prospect in Michalanney who is primarily an intercepting third tall likely coming onto our list.

There is also precedent in us reverting back to Doedee + smaller players, noting Worrell played rather well against the Saints last year. For his sake though, I hope he played well enough for us to consider changing our defensive structure as its likely Worrell + Doedee is going to be better then Doedee + Jones/Hamill/Hinge

 

[matey]

Norf were beaten today comfortably by a bottom 4 side, they have a shocking percentage of 54% after 20 weeks of footy. It’s been a pathetic rebuild delivering an ordinary group of youth. ……. just stating the obvious!

 

[SSSSSS]

Norf couldn't even at least choke a three quarter lead to the Bombers

 

[carnthedons]

Norf were beaten today comfortably by a bottom 4 side, they have a shocking percentage of 54% after 20 weeks of footy. It’s been a pathetic rebuild delivering an ordinary group of youth. ……. just stating the obvious!

Hey, bottom 5 now

 

[BuddysBiggestFan]

Poor post mate…whilst it hurts that Geelong are yet again going to play in a gf, we beat them earlier this year…and that was after reeves dislocated his shoulder in the second quarter having been our best player before he got hurt.

A lot of the “experts” had us winning 5 or less games this season.

We’ve won 7, lost to blues by 1, demons by 10 and led the swans at 3/4 time. We’ve also beaten the lions.

Unlike Clarkson who coached not to get thumped and selected horrible sides every week in his last few seasons, Mitchell has backed our youngsters from the get go and is coaching a game plan that will see us at least attempt to be successful in 2-3 years time…

Newcombe, Lewis, Ward, macdonald, butler, moore, scrimshaw, Maginness, blank, Morrison, jiath, reeves have all shown they will be part of our next finals side…whilst dgb and day have been incredibly disappointing , they are still young. Day has had no continuity in his game this season due to injury and suspension. With a full pre season he will be ready to take the next step in 2023… dgb is a worry currently, but he’s only 20 and still raw. Let’s judge him at the end of 2024 before writing him off.

Yes our list still has some big holes to fill but Karl Amon will be a huge inclusion next season and hopefully we end up with pick 4 or 5 where we will most likely get Harry sheezel. The future isn’t looking too bad.

Throw away more draft picks for another player from Port. Amon is our saviour.

Wingard and Impey have really made a difference to our fortunes.

Guess we never learn.

 

[Zephyr Effekt]

Hey, bottom 5 now

Damn straight. We don't belong in the mediocrity of the bottom 4.

14th is where premierships are launched from.

 

[harper2bastinac]

Norf were beaten today comfortably by a bottom 4 side, they have a shocking percentage of 54% after 20 weeks of footy. It’s been a pathetic rebuild delivering an ordinary group of youth. ……. just stating the obvious!

It wouldn’t have been as big of a loss at least if covid didn’t run through the team, add corr, Perez, curtis and hall (and remove spicer) into the team and it’s at least a 4 goal better team

 

[nelk boys]

Throw away more draft picks for another player from Port. Amon is our saviour.

Wingard and Impey have really made a difference to our fortunes.

Guess we never learn.

He's a free agent......

 

[hk89]

Throw away more draft picks for another player from Port. Amon is our saviour.

Are you familiar with the term 'unrestricted free agent'? Port doesn't even have the leverage of threatening to match an offer from another club as that only comes from being a restricted free agent, so why would we be parting with picks for Amon? The risk with Amon is giving him too much of our Salary cap, making it hard to keep our better players when we do climb back up the ladder. I also suspect we'll struggle to compete for his services against teams better placed to compete in the short term. Most players returning to their home state tend to go with a team that looks ready to be competitive in finals right away, and that isn't us, although those teams usually have less cap space than the teams further down the ladder, so we are not in with zero chance either.

We certainly gave up a lot for Wingard, but why mention Impey? We gave up pick 34, and some spare change we found down the back of the couch for him. The chances of drafting a player better than Impey with pick 34 is less than 50/50, so he was overall a decent get. Hasn't had a great year, and ACL might have taken away some of his strengths, but overall was still a reasonable trade at the time by any measure.

You seem a little pessimistic.

 

[Danger in Texas]

If a player shows they have something about them and are almost permanent depth, they're trade bait, and at no point in his career has Worrell ever been something other than permanent depth. He's done everything he can in the past two years mind you, but if we're not willing to move Doedee away from being an intercepting third tall, then that's it for Worrell chances of breaking into our best 22.

Who says we can’t play Worrell and Doedee in the same 22?

We absolutely can