Which Would You Rather?

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Over the last few days I have been talking about giveing a few of the kids games over the last 8 weeks as a pointer to the future of the Richmond team. So today I thought I would throw up 2 lineups and see what people would like to see over the last 8 rounds for the Tigers.

Option 1:
B: Raines Thursfield Newman
HB: J.Bowden Polak King
C: Tivendale Johnson Deledio (expected back in 4-6)
HF: Pettifer Richo Tambling
F: Jackson Brown Edwards
R: Pattison Tuck Foley
I: Simmonds Riewoldt White Howat

Last weeks selected line up featuring most of the experienced players in the normal positions. Playing the safe option by giving games to older players who have not really given us much to get excited about this year.

or

Option 2:
B: Hartigan Thursfield Newman
HB: JON Polak King
C: Tambling Raines White
HF: Pettifer Hughes Riewoldt
F: Brown Schulz Edwards
R: Pattison Tuck Foley
Interchange from: Simmonds Richo J.Bowden Johnson Connors Howat Lids (when fit would start on the park)

Now I know some will think this is a waste of time and a stupid idea but with our season all but dead why not give the fans something to get a little excited about, a glimpse of the future so to speak. You could keep the older blokes on the bench so that if the youngers blokes are struggling they can be thrown into the fray. This is about giving the kids their heads and saying go out and play and forget about what happens.

After all what have we got to lose not much the way I see it.

 

[tony_montana]

option 2

lockitineddie

 

[sante]

#2 will never happen...

You can't just drop Johnson, Bowden etc for youth. Remember the Geelong game. Our youngsters are a rabble without the bigger bodied players.

I think we should rotate the youngsters in and out the team throughout the 8 remaining rounds.

Connors, Hartigan etc should all get a chance. Hartigan needs to show something to keep his spot with us in 2008.

My team would be similar to your 1st option...

 

[Roachy8]

Option 2... I'm with you RT.
This is a hypothetical though as I can't see it happening so Richo on the bench does not hurt me as much as it would. (and should all of us!)
Forward line looks good but apart from Newman, the backline looks very inexperienced and may get thumped by older harder bodies. (Geelong game)
Not sure about Raines in the pivot... I'd rather play Tambling in there (or Connors) and put Raines on the right wing.
Interesting but...

 

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#2 will never happen...

You can't just drop Johnson, Bowden etc for youth. Remember the Geelong game. Our youngsters are a rabble without the bigger bodied players.

I think we should rotate the youngsters in and out the team throughout the 8 remaining rounds.

Connors, Hartigan etc should all get a chance. Hartigan needs to show something to keep his spot with us in 2008.

My team would be similar to your 1st option...

The older blokes aren't dropped, the view is the younger blokes are put on the park to start the match and then if needed the older blokes are on the bench if things get out of hand. Frankly I would not care if they did. It is more about giving the fans something to get excited about.

Again this is purely a hypothetical situation. Just getting a feel as to what others would like, there is no right or wrong response in fact everyone is encouraged to voice their opinion.

 

[tigers71]

Over the last few days I have been talking about giveing a few of the kids games over the last 8 weeks as a pointer to the future of the Richmond team. So today I thought I would throw up 2 lineups and see what people would like to see over the last 8 rounds for the Tigers.

Option 1:
B: Raines Thursfield Newman
HB: J.Bowden Polak King
C: Tivendale Johnson Deledio (expected back in 4-6)
HF: Pettifer Richo Tambling
F: Jackson Brown Edwards
R: Pattison Tuck Foley
I: Simmonds Riewoldt White Howat

Last weeks selected line up featuring most of the experienced players in the normal positions. Playing the safe option by giving games to older players who have not really given us much to get excited about this year.

or

Option 2:
B: Hartigan Thursfield Newman
HB: JON Polak King
C: Tambling Raines White
HF: Pettifer Hughes Riewoldt
F: Brown Schulz Edwards
R: Pattison Tuck Foley
Interchange from: Simmonds Richo J.Bowden Johnson Connors Howat Lids (when fit would start on the park)

Now I know some will think this is a waste of time and a stupid idea but with our season all but dead why not give the fans something to get a little excited about, a glimpse of the future so to speak. You could keep the older blokes on the bench so that if the youngers blokes are struggling they can be thrown into the fray. This is about giving the kids their heads and saying go out and play and forget about what happens.

After all what have we got to lose not much the way I see it.

This is the worst thing I have ever heard, if we do these options, fans of other clubs will think we are TANKING and I rather put our best squad on the park. If we lose so be it and I would rather lose with our best squad. The younger players get games and experience which is good also. This fraught with danger.

I have to say it would devalue the guernsey and give players who might be in not so good form a game. They get games ahead of players who should be in the squad in the first place. If we finish last we are going to finish last so the coaching staff will know who will be with us for 2008 anyway. So I will say keep it as it is.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Until dildo comes back...

B - King Thursfield Bowden
HB - Hartigan Polak Riewoldt
C - Raines Newman Jackson
HF - Tambling Richo Pettifer
F - Brown Schulz Krakouer
R - Simmonds Tuck Foley
I - Pattison Edwards Connors Hughes

 

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This is the worst thing I have ever heard, if we do these options, fans of other clubs will think we are TANKING and I rather put our best squad on the park. If we lose so be it and I would rather lose with our best squad. The younger players get games and experience which is good also. This fraught with danger.

I have to say it would devalue the guernsey and give players who might be in not so good form a game. They get games ahead of players who should be in the squad in the first place. If we finish last we are going to finish last so the coaching staff will know who will be with us for 2008 anyway. So I will say keep it as it is.

You do realise this is just a hypothetical scenario don't you? Just throwing it out there for a bit of discussion thats all.

BTW most people think we're TANKING anyway regardless of whether our best list or worst list is on the park. Said to my brother in law on Sunday before the game exactly what would happen, we would get within a couple of goals and then eventually get done by about 4. It is like clockwork predicting what will happen in Richmond games at present.

 

[tigers71]

You do realise this is just a hypothetical scenario don't you? Just throwing it out there for a bit of discussion thats all.

BTW most people think we're TANKING anyway regardless of whether our best list or worst list is on the park. Said to my brother in law on Sunday before the game exactly what would happen, we would get within a couple of goals and then eventually get done by about 4. It is like clockwork predicting what will happen in Richmond games at present.

I do realise this is a hypothetical scenario. If it was to do with option 1 or 2. Option 2 without JON in his place I would bring in Peterson Also have to keep Johnson in as well, he is the captain and he has to play regardless what other fans think. No room for Danny Meyer??

 

[mj23]

take option 2 jus so u can get Kreuzer. wallace still safe they won't pay him out for 3 years contract. Polak really coming good another quality big man and things can really start looking up. TANK IT!!!!

 

[Roachy8]

RT's Option 2 may not be as much of a stretch as it looks.
Option 2 only actually has 4 changes. (Assuming bench is Simmonds, Richo, JB & Howatt)
Of these 4, Deledio is out anyway and many are saying that our captain should be resting his hand anyway.
So... 2 unforced changes with Tiv's and Jacko out.
So the discussion perhaps should be about who would come in if this played out and if starting some seniors on the bench was "tanking". (Hate that term)

 

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I do realise this is a hypothetical scenario. If it was to do with option 1 or 2. Option 2 without JON in his place I would bring in Peterson Also have to keep Johnson in as well, he is the captain and he has to play regardless what other fans think. No room for Danny Meyer??

I did not want to list the whole squad as bench options but anyone who was fit would be available to play. Just listed a starting 18 with options for the bench.

 

[Richo for PM]

option 2 - ide love to see raines in the middle although i think his problem at the moment is just lacking confidence
and i reckon uve gota start richo at full forward, schultz should start on the bench

 

[rfctigerarmy]

How I'd like to see us line up:

B: King Thursfield White
HB: J.Bowden Polak Hartigan
C: Newman Raines Jackson
HF: Tambling Hughes Pettifer
F: Richardson Schulz Brown
R: Pattison Tuck Foley

INT: JON, Simmonds, Johnson, Howatt (Edwards, Riewoldt, Conners, P.Bowden)

IN: JON, Hartigan, Schulz
OUT: Edwards, Reiwoldt, Deledio

To me, Riewoldt has nothing to prove. He's got plenty of time. I dont think we desperately need to see him yet. Hes had a bit of a taste, which is great. Same with Edwards. However, in the coming weeks Edwards needs to be rotated in and out. Jack too, just not as much.

I think we need to see more Newman and Raines in the midfiled.

Schulz and Hughes in the spine.

Its a team where we could still win games yet still give those a chance who need to prove themselves

 

[Colonel Matrix]

Option 2 (but Richo starts at FF), but only if you could guarantee me that I won't witness another Geelong game

 

[mj23]

maybe look at trading schulz hardly setting the world on fire swap with the crows for Reilly doesn't seem like he gets much of a go there and is Quality. fair trade?

 

[_RT_]

Option 2 (but Richo starts at FF), but only if you could guarantee me that I won't witness another Geelong game

Can't guarantee you that either way. We could just as easily cop a similar hiding playing a team full of experienced players, after all we did 3 times last year.

 

[emperor]

option 2 but Jackson and Howat need to get a good run. Also not to sure about no Bowden down back.

 

[tony_montana]

maybe look at trading schulz hardly setting the world on fire swap with the crows for Reilly doesn't seem like he gets much of a go there and is Quality. fair trade?

Reilly just re-signed with adelaide and is a required player

 

[Goldust]

Play the young guys!!!!

Did I miss something?

We already are! Like, how many games has Edwards played since debuting? Hughes has had his chances, Riewoldt is getting a crack now! Deledio, Tambling, Pattison have been permanent fixtures all year, Polo would have been had he stayed fit, Meyer would have had he cared and performed (more of that coming!) Howat has barely missed a game, ditto for King since debuting, while Foley has starred. Jackson too has earned his chance and has strung games together!
How much younger do we want to go?
Wake up...Option 2 is a one way ticket to oblivion...also known as....a streak of 100 point losses. And for what.....when Carlton still ends up with the number one draft pick and a priority pick.
Fielding a team of predominantly youngsters would give us a series of beltings, the type of which we have avoided all season bar the Geelong game. Take a peek ahead at the draw...do you really want Option 2 taking the field of battle against a top four contender in Hawthorn, Sydney in Sydney, West Coast in Perth, the ever-improving and red-hot Magpies and other finals contender in Essendon and Port Adelaide? Get serious!!!
Option 2 is handing out games for the sake of it. Nothing against the likes of Hartigan (I really don't understand what the fascination with him is on this board!!), Schulz, JON, Connors, but if they can't earn a senior game the ol' fashioned way by performing at Coburg and commanding a game and find themselves gone by year's end, than so be it. They don't deserve to be on the list and we know we have been right in not playing them. The whole concept of giving guys games to prove themselves is b***shit!! Nothing good ever came without old fashioned hard work I tell you.
Going predominantly young with your experienced players either out of the side or benched sends the wrong message. It's all about winning and developing a winning culture. Option 2 is the right way about developing a losing culture.
We are young enough and need some experienced hands on deck to remain competitive!!
My take - and I bet I ain't alone. We have three young key forwards in Schulz, Riewoldt and Hughes. ONE of them played Sunday because ONE of them demanded he be picked. Why can't the other two start demanding a game because of calls we should/could/would????
You want a game...earn it. That's the message we need to be sending!

 

[_RT_]

Play the young guys!!!!

Did I miss something?

We already are! Like, how many games has Edwards played since debuting? Hughes has had his chances, Riewoldt is getting a crack now! Deledio, Tambling, Pattison have been permanent fixtures all year, Polo would have been had he stayed fit, Meyer would have had he cared and performed (more of that coming!) Howat has barely missed a game, ditto for King since debuting, while Foley has starred. Jackson too has earned his chance and has strung games together!
How much younger do we want to go?
Wake up...Option 2 is a one way ticket to oblivion...also known as....a streak of 100 point losses. And for what.....when Carlton still ends up with the number one draft pick and a priority pick.
Fielding a team of predominantly youngsters would give us a series of beltings, the type of which we have avoided all season bar the Geelong game. Take a peek ahead at the draw...do you really want Option 2 taking the field of battle against a top four contender in Hawthorn, Sydney in Sydney, West Coast in Perth, the ever-improving and red-hot Magpies and other finals contender in Essendon and Port Adelaide? Get serious!!!
Option 2 is handing out games for the sake of it. Nothing against the likes of Hartigan (I really don't understand what the fascination with him is on this board!!), Schulz, JON, Connors, but if they can't earn a senior game the ol' fashioned way by performing at Coburg and commanding a game and find themselves gone by year's end, than so be it. They don't deserve to be on the list and we know we have been right in not playing them. The whole concept of giving guys games to prove themselves is b***shit!! Nothing good ever came without old fashioned hard work I tell you.
Going predominantly young with your experienced players either out of the side or benched sends the wrong message. It's all about winning and developing a winning culture. Option 2 is the right way about developing a losing culture.
We are young enough and need some experienced hands on deck to remain competitive!!
My take - and I bet I ain't alone. We have three young key forwards in Schulz, Riewoldt and Hughes. ONE of them played Sunday because ONE of them demanded he be picked. Why can't the other two start demanding a game because of calls we should/could/would????
You want a game...earn it. That's the message we need to be sending!

Goldy in this thread there is no right or wrong answer as it is purely speculation. Just asking people what they would prefer to see if given the chance. At present most have said they would prefer to see the second option if for nothing else than to get a glimpse of the future.

However take a look at our opponents this Sunday, they pretty much did a similar thing over the last 2 years. Gave their young stars games although some would suggest they did not truly earn them they were still given extended runs in the seniors to fast track their development somewhat. Roughead is a perfect exampl of what I am talking about. Last year he played 20/22 games and if you look at his input on games he was not a high possession winner but was given the stability week after week to find his place in the side and progress from their. Little surprise that this year he has improved as a player. Although he has dropped off in regards his average disposals his imput interms of goals has dramatically increased.

So why not start down that path with guys like Hughes, Schulz and Jack. Play them the last 8 weeks tell them that regardless of their performances they are being given this opportunity to step up and show what they can do. What is the worse that can happen? We lose games, beenn doing that all year. Whats the best that could happen? They have a few good games where they kick 15 goals each over the 8 games and gain a bit of confidence that they truly belong here instead of being treated like yo-yo's moving between Coburg and Richmond on a regular basis.

Thats all this is about, trying something different other than the same thing that has been occuring for the past 14 weeks. Which has seen a few players be given 2-3 games do nothing because they are not really given a chance and then sent back to Coburg while consistently below average players who get a run they don't really deserve.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Play the young guys!!!!

Did I miss something?

We already are! Like, how many games has Edwards played since debuting? Hughes has had his chances, Riewoldt is getting a crack now! Deledio, Tambling, Pattison have been permanent fixtures all year, Polo would have been had he stayed fit, Meyer would have had he cared and performed (more of that coming!) Howat has barely missed a game, ditto for King since debuting, while Foley has starred. Jackson too has earned his chance and has strung games together!
How much younger do we want to go?
Wake up...Option 2 is a one way ticket to oblivion...also known as....a streak of 100 point losses. And for what.....when Carlton still ends up with the number one draft pick and a priority pick.
Fielding a team of predominantly youngsters would give us a series of beltings, the type of which we have avoided all season bar the Geelong game. Take a peek ahead at the draw...do you really want Option 2 taking the field of battle against a top four contender in Hawthorn, Sydney in Sydney, West Coast in Perth, the ever-improving and red-hot Magpies and other finals contender in Essendon and Port Adelaide? Get serious!!!
Option 2 is handing out games for the sake of it. Nothing against the likes of Hartigan (I really don't understand what the fascination with him is on this board!!), Schulz, JON, Connors, but if they can't earn a senior game the ol' fashioned way by performing at Coburg and commanding a game and find themselves gone by year's end, than so be it. They don't deserve to be on the list and we know we have been right in not playing them. The whole concept of giving guys games to prove themselves is b***shit!! Nothing good ever came without old fashioned hard work I tell you.
Going predominantly young with your experienced players either out of the side or benched sends the wrong message. It's all about winning and developing a winning culture. Option 2 is the right way about developing a losing culture.
We are young enough and need some experienced hands on deck to remain competitive!!
My take - and I bet I ain't alone. We have three young key forwards in Schulz, Riewoldt and Hughes. ONE of them played Sunday because ONE of them demanded he be picked. Why can't the other two start demanding a game because of calls we should/could/would????
You want a game...earn it. That's the message we need to be sending!

spot on goldust

except i believe hartigan is demanding a game and is a goer. and i'd give schulz a fair run at it too.

this week
in: schulz, hartigan
out: dildo, white

i remember the name... i just don't know what it means...

 

[Goldust]

Goldy in this thread there is no right or wrong answer as it is purely speculation. Just asking people what they would prefer to see if given the chance. At present most have said they would prefer to see the second option if for nothing else than to get a glimpse of the future.

However take a look at our opponents this Sunday, they pretty much did a similar thing over the last 2 years. Gave their young stars games although some would suggest they did not truly earn them they were still given extended runs in the seniors to fast track their development somewhat. Roughead is a perfect exampl of what I am talking about. Last year he played 20/22 games and if you look at his input on games he was not a high possession winner but was given the stability week after week to find his place in the side and progress from their. Little surprise that this year he has improved as a player. Although he has dropped off in regards his average disposals his imput interms of goals has dramatically increased.

So why not start down that path with guys like Hughes, Schulz and Jack. Play them the last 8 weeks tell them that regardless of their performances they are being given this opportunity to step up and show what they can do. What is the worse that can happen? We lose games, beenn doing that all year. Whats the best that could happen? They have a few good games where they kick 15 goals each over the 8 games and gain a bit of confidence that they truly belong here instead of being treated like yo-yo's moving between Coburg and Richmond on a regular basis.

Thats all this is about, trying something different other than the same thing that has been occuring for the past 14 weeks. Which has seen a few players be given 2-3 games do nothing because they are not really given a chance and then sent back to Coburg while consistently below average players who get a run they don't really deserve.

Point taken bud!! I think there are a few there who could benefit with some meaningful game time and a string of games...Jack, Cleve, Jay and the like. But gotta always be room for Richo down there!!!!
Theoretically, Cleve, Jack, Jay should be the nucleus of our forward line for the next decade and no one would be happier than I if that were to eventuate.

 

[big bruno]

Can't believe how many voting for option 2...