Whitten Oval set to be revived

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No, I wouldn't have to concede that. The Bulldogs just barely crack 20 000 total whenever they play a Queensland team at Marvel. Moreover, as I said previously, I don't believe WO will stay at 18 000 for too long, the Bulldogs will push for more seats to be added so they can host more games there.



This may be the case, do you have a citation for it? I am unable to find similar information by my own searching.



Do you work for the Bulldogs or something? If not, you're inventing figures out of thin air.



I have not heard of any time frame for entrance fees being charged at the AFLW, please do correct me if I'm wrong.



It makes perfect sense if their long term plan is to get enough money to fund their own home ground in Melbourne.



This is just defeatist thinking. All these groups can be won to the sport with outreach. The Greeks and Italians and Slavs were drawn to soccer too, and yet many of them still followed and played Aussie rules. I find it particularly odd that you write off Africans too, given Majak Daw plays for your club. Last year had a Sudanese draftee, this year probably will too.



Let's wait a season and see their crowds before crowning them as a success story.



You haven't been following this issue it seems. There have been a few reports in the media that the Tasmanian government won't be renewing either deal, precisely because both those clubs "are reaping great financial benefits" at the expense of Tasmania's ambitions for their own team. There are two sides to every deal and Tasmanians aren't stupid, they know that both clubs are FIFOs, not permanent residents.
I suspect that you are another former who I have chosen to block therefore I will close the discussion having laid out my thoughts. I am not going to repeat myself or any of the considerations that I have laid out. You haven't answered any of my questions about how the VU WO will be maintained and funded if developed? You have no idea where all of these future fans are coming from to grow the Bulldogs in Melbourne if they walk away from Ballarat and Western Victoria. That said, the Bulldogs have given NO INDICATION of intention of leaving Ballarat, to the contrary, they have continually maintained that it is a long term plan.

I strongly suggest that you are indeed a 'Troll' who is simply picking an argument in this thread because that's what 'Trolls' do because they get bored and otherwise get no attention on ther threads where they get found out. You have chosen to ignore and plain trash the obvious. Most of your counter arguments are merely based on speculation as well. You are making the wildest of assumptions to think that the government or some magical fairy is going to cough up another dollar more to build Whitten Oval beyond what Peter Gordon announced several weeks ago. If they currently charge a $43 premium per Ballarat game to deter a few thousand from swamping Mars Stadium on game days, then I reckon that it is a pretty solid bet that the Club will have to charge a much higher premium to limit the demand for the 1 or 2 games that Mr Gordon has mused about at VU WO.

On the subject of demographics, beyond Majak Daw the AFL competition isn't being swamped by Sudanese and there certainly are no sub-continental persons or Nguyen's on any AFL player lists.

Anyway, time will tell and we'll see who's right in five years time. ;) In the mean time I suspect that I'm flogging a dead horse try to talk sense with you. Therefore probably best that you are blocked and I don't have to ever read either your response to this or to any future posts. All the best, have a great life trolling somewhere else my friend. :thumbsu:
 
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Amortised as a $ per seat per game, Geelong will sell all on a seasons membership. Very different to Ballarat?
Indeed, Mars Stadium was built as a Level 3 AFL ground (Less amenities and VFL grade lighting) where GMHBA stadium is Level 1 (Similar in amenities and supporting infrastructure to the MCG and Marvel Stadium) based on the fact that it has a resident home team (Geelong) and hosts 9 AFL home games per season as opposed to a mere 2 in Ballarat for the less popular (lower crowd-pulling) Bulldogs. That's why Mars cost $3000 per seat to build as opposed to the several thousand per seat for GMHBA Stadium. I don't have a problem with that by the way, I certainly don't believe that they ought to be spending too much more money at Mars Stadium beyond perhaps another 5000 seats and reserved standing capacity for approx 5000 to give it a realistic capacity of about 15,000. It's already about to have another $6 million spent building a new covered entrance and ticket booths at its southern end, new permanent toilet blocks built for the standing areas of the ground and imrovements to its catering facilities. For my mind the money there really needs to be spent outside the ground on car parking, lighting and a train platform over the road.

That said, here's a real kicker as a side note: The new 25,000 capacity Townsville (Rubgy only) Stadium for the NQ Cowboys is costing $10,000 per seat to build and likely only ever be filled on its opening night ... :rolleyes: They have never had 25,000 turn up to any sporting event in Townsville ever ...
 
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That said, here's a real kicker as a side note: The new 25,000 capacity Townsville (Rubgy only) Stadium for the NQ Cowboys is costing $10,000 per seat to build and likely only ever be filled on its opening night ... :rolleyes: They have never had 25,000 turn up to any sporting event in Townsville ever ...
a) Go Cowboys!
b) It's amazing what living in a really marginal seat or two will do. :(
 

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It's funny how not long before the Dogs moved to the Docklands they were looking at leaving the Whitten oval and going to Skinners reserve. They did train at Skinners in the last 90's.

Now they want to go full circle and move back to the suburban Whitten oval ground
Is that ground still being used by any clubs in the area?
 

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I feel sorry for the people in and around footscray on game days if this happens. I lived just down the road literally for 5 years and went past nearly every day for 10 and I can tell you, just driving around there to get to highpoint or park nearby to use the public gym was bad enough. Trying to accommodate even 1000 cars for attendees around there will be an absolute **** show.
This was the main reason why it went to crap. it was never structured good for parking
 

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I was always puzzled as to why the AFL ruled out Princes Park (then Optus Oval) at the time.

PP/OO would've been the perfect venue for smaller Melbourne teams playing most interstate teams.

Clubs could've benefited from it far more than the current deal at Docklands.
 

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I was always puzzled as to why the AFL ruled out Princes Park (then Optus Oval) at the time.

PP/OO would've been the perfect venue for smaller Melbourne teams playing most interstate teams.

Clubs could've benefited from it far more than the current deal at Docklands.
The ground was owned by Carlton and when other teams (i.e. Hawthorn, Fitzroy, Bulldogs, North Melbourne) played home games there a large proportion of the gate taking went to Carlton which the participating clubs were obviously unhappy with.
 

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The ground was owned by Carlton and when other teams (i.e. Hawthorn, Fitzroy, Bulldogs, North Melbourne) played home games there a large proportion of the gate taking went to Carlton which the participating clubs were obviously unhappy with.
I understand that but those issues could've been ironed out and solved a problem today, that the AFL doesn't have a Melbourne venue with a capacity of just 35,000. Clubs (and the AFL) would be losing money hand over first when Melbourne, North Melbourne, WBulldogs, St Kilda etc host the likes of the Suns, Giants, Power, Dockers etc.
 

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I was always puzzled as to why the AFL ruled out Princes Park (then Optus Oval) at the time.

PP/OO would've been the perfect venue for smaller Melbourne teams playing most interstate teams.

Clubs could've benefited from it far more than the current deal at Docklands.
It's been made clear that fans don't want their team playing at the traditional home of a rival, MCG excepted. Fitzroy fans didn't like it, Footscray fans didn't like it, really doubt North fans would either. It's either a communal stadium like at present, or what the Bulldogs seem to be trying to do, rehabilitating their own traditional ground.
 

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The ground was owned by Carlton and when other teams (i.e. Hawthorn, Fitzroy, Bulldogs, North Melbourne) played home games there a large proportion of the gate taking went to Carlton which the participating clubs were obviously unhappy with.
Elliott screwed that one imo. Saw the oppo games as a revenue source, rather than a means to secure long term AFL/govt funding to maintain an elite grade boutique venue.
 
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