- Mar 11, 2016
- AFL Club
Same goes for McEvoy who has continued to shed weight and has been wedged into an entirely new position on the field. He's been focussing on his own game too, as it's had to transition more than anyone else's in the side.All the talk that we don’t have any leadership in our younger plays ignores that O’Meara is still likely concentrating on his own game after getting his body mostly right. I’d much prefer he focus on his form this year than the extra weight of captaining the club. Same with Mitchell - he’s only one season off a horror leg injury and isn’t yet back to his peak. Both players would be better served focussing more on their own games this year than being burdened with the captaincy.
I don’t think the decision in any way casts doubt on their leadership as they’re still in the leadership group and O’Meara is VC. I think that you’ll more than likely see O’Meara/Worpel leadership team once McEvoy calls it a day.
Hale was very effective in the Hale-role in a brutally dominant side & during an era when we could play an extra behind the ball (before 6-6-6), with dynamic forwards & probs the best pressure-duo of all time (Cyril + Popeye).Has always surprised me that he wasn’t used as more of an option up forward when we struggled depth-wise there. Would love to see him used more in a Hale style of role this year.
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Really, really daft comparison.Can you imagine David Hale as captain during the 3 peat era?
Just another example of where we're at.
PS. I'm a big McAvoy fan but his best is years behind him and the cliff is fast approaching. Much like our last 2 skippers.
So which data would you trust? Your own data?Whatever method they used failed conclusively in the choice of our last two captains, and the latest captain's circumstance follows a similar enough pattern that the outcome is more likely to be similar than dissimilar.
I wouldn't trust their data after they selected Roughead then Stratton. Their data also indicated JOM & Wingard were worth trading the kitchen sink for.
Frankly I'm not inclined to trust a lot of what the club's been doing the past few years.
Added to that if the captaincy is given to a player to soon it can really stunt them. I see Worpel as captain material in the future, but jack trengrove is a cautionary tale. Big boy is a bit left field but so was vanders back when so we'll see.Other than maybe Graham Arthur. Has there been any Hawthorn captain who has not been a temporary fix?
The value of Vanders leadership has grown with hindsight.
Did he protect Sam and Luke from the pressures of being captain and if so did it allow them the extra time to mature and become better captains.
Hopefully when Gunston and JOM become premiership captains. The value of Stratts and Roughies leadership also grows like Vanders.
I personally don't care that he's played at another club, that means nothing. If he's the best man for the job then it should be him.For all those people who keep perpetuating the myth that no Hawthorn captain had previously played at another club
Here is a list of Hawthorn VFL captains who did in fact come to us from other clubs:
Jim Jackson St Kilda Collingwood.
Dan Minogue Collingwood Richmond
Clarrie Lethlean Melbourne
Bert Sutton South Melbourne
Albert Chadwick Melbourne
John Harris Collingwood
Fred Phillips St Kilda (He died before actually captaining a single game for Hawthorn but was appointed capt)*
Bill Twomey snr Collingwood (took over from Fred Philips above)
Ivan Mcalpine Footscray
Jack Carmody Collingwood
Keith Shea Carlton
What is true is that no Hawthorn captain since Keith Shea in 1945 has come played at a previous club.
*Sadly Fred Phillips death was caused by a Hawthorn jumper, he has received a cut on his elbow, and the dye in the new jumpers was toxic. It entered his blood stream and killed him.**
** this may be why Clarkson has a hard line stance against long sleeves.
He has other roles, and we've never needed him to be. Great players don't have to be in the leadership group to be great players.Quite true that it is odd Burgoyne has never been part of the leadership group. Possibly he's been busy mentoring the young Indigenous players in past years?
Buddy actually was in the leadership group for a few years before he departed. Wasn't so much my line of thinking of 'great player must equal leadership' but he has always struck me as an on-field and off-field leader and I know he has an interest in player development so I was just curious if that's something he has been doing behind the scenes rather than throwing his hat in the ring for the leadership group.He has other roles, and we've never needed him to be. Great players don't have to be in the leadership group to be great players.
I don't think Buddy ever was, nor Cyril. Sometimes it's a burden.
Definitely this year he's doing a part time footy department role in the indigenous space, which he'll transition to doing full time next year.
One thing you can guarantee is that Buddy would've been best on for most footy tripsBuddy actually was in the leadership group for a few years before he departed. Wasn't so much my line of thinking of 'great player must equal leadership' but he has always struck me as an on-field and off-field leader and I know he has an interest in player development so I was just curious if that's something he has been doing behind the scenes rather than throwing his hat in the ring for the leadership group.