Analysis Who Dares...Wins

[Steve Dore]

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We need some SAS mental hardness, physical hardness and smart thinking in tough situations. A 6 week SAS course over preseason might help.

Didn't Boak and a few others do some type of military based training in Sydney (North Head?) off their own back in the off season a few years back?

Edit: It was November 2011 and it was at Avoca Beach so further north than I thought.



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"While the Power's official pre-season training camp will be held in New Zealand in December, Boak, Trengove and Carlile summoned young players John Butcher, Matthew Broadbent, Matthew Lobbe, Jarrad Redden and Daniel Stewart to the hilly, New South Wales coastal town of Avoca Beach - 95km north of Sydney. ......

future captaincy candidates Boak, 23, and Trengove, just 21, to run the camp in conjunction with Falloon, and a former SAS Navy Seal as well as NSW police inspector and former special operations detective Andrew Birch."

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[Ando39]

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We need some SAS mental hardness, physical hardness and smart thinking in tough situations. A 6 week SAS course over preseason might help.

What would have been handier is to try and condense one into the two weeks after our last game, with the sole goal of delisting or trading any player who broke.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Didn't Boak and a few others do some type of military based training in Sydney (North Head?) off their own back in the off season a few years back?

Edit: It was November 2011 and it was at Avoca Beach so further north than I thought.

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"While the Power's official pre-season training camp will be held in New Zealand in December, Boak, Trengove and Carlile summoned young players John Butcher, Matthew Broadbent, Matthew Lobbe, Jarrad Redden and Daniel Stewart to the hilly, New South Wales coastal town of Avoca Beach - 95km north of Sydney. ......

future captaincy candidates Boak, 23, and Trengove, just 21, to run the camp in conjunction with Falloon, and a former SAS Navy Seal as well as NSW police inspector and former special operations detective Andrew Birch."

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I wrote this back in 2011 and couple of other times when this article has been quoted but there is no such thing as an SAS Navy Seal.

Anyway week doesn't make a 6 week SAS course run by multiple instructors.

 

[Dylan8]

Didn't Boak and a few others do some type of military based training in Sydney (North Head?) off their own back in the off season a few years back?

Edit: It was November 2011 and it was at Avoca Beach so further north than I thought.

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"While the Power's official pre-season training camp will be held in New Zealand in December, Boak, Trengove and Carlile summoned young players John Butcher, Matthew Broadbent, Matthew Lobbe, Jarrad Redden and Daniel Stewart to the hilly, New South Wales coastal town of Avoca Beach - 95km north of Sydney. ......

future captaincy candidates Boak, 23, and Trengove, just 21, to run the camp in conjunction with Falloon, and a former SAS Navy Seal as well as NSW police inspector and former special operations detective Andrew Birch."

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Young gun Butcher. Triggered.

 

[shewho]

Welcome to my club Janus. It sounds simplistic but it isn't. There is no magic pill, but nothing will improve us more than improving our clearances. It is the biggest key to our game. Hawthorn can afford to lose them , win the ball back with pressure and keep it with great disposal. We can't.

Our total clearance numbers are great but our clearance differential is poor. That's because we have more stoppages in our game as teams try and slow us up. If we could get our clearance differential into the positive, this opposition tactic would fail.

Our biggest need if we want to start winning more than we lose right now is one or two clearance machines- Barlow, Kobe Stevens, etc via trade and ready to go inside mids with our early pick(s). Hartlett should be this player too by now- he's not and we need to turn him into a player who is - by trade or transformation.

 

[Janus]

Welcome to my club Janus. It sounds simplistic but it isn't. There is no magic pill, but nothing will improve us more than improving our clearances. It is the biggest key to our game. Hawthorn can afford to lose them , win the ball back with pressure and keep it with great disposal. We can't.

Our total clearance numbers are great but our clearance differential is poor. That's because we have more stoppages in our game as teams try and slow us up. If we could get our clearance differential into the positive, this opposition tactic would fail.

Our biggest need if we want to start winning more than we lose right now is one or two clearance machines- Barlow, Kobe Stevens, etc via trade and ready to go inside mids with our early pick(s). Hartlett should be this player too by now- he's not and we need to turn him into a player who is - by trade or transformation.

Thanks, it's great to be here

But while clearances are a part of it, and would improve naturally when getting more inside mids, what I was referring to was the ability to move the ball on constantly and avoid a clearance - which is what the Bulldogs and Sydney do. Great hands in close, win the contested ball and shovel it to outside runners.

Geelong failed last night because they don't have runners coming out of defense to hit the contest. Roos and Lyon said it - Sydney's MO is to overload the contest and make it as tight as possible (hence why you'll have Franklin pushing up into defense on occasion - oh look, a key forward that doesn't stay anchored to the forward 50.

Run out of defense counters this style of play because it creates overloads on the outside where Sydney are the weakest. Geelong stemmed the bleeding when they went with a +1 in defence, but without that aggressive run the Swans could continually send guys like Rohan to fill holes. This is why tall forwards like Hawkins have become redundant. You need forwards in the mould of Franklin in the modern game - fast, agile, strong contested mark and most importantly, willing to defend.

 

[JUSTWORK]

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We need some SAS mental hardness, physical hardness and smart thinking in tough situations. A 6 week SAS course over preseason might help.

spot on - I've been saying the same thing for a very long time.

 

[vozzon]

Welcome to my club Janus. It sounds simplistic but it isn't. There is no magic pill, but nothing will improve us more than improving our clearances. It is the biggest key to our game. Hawthorn can afford to lose them , win the ball back with pressure and keep it with great disposal. We can't.

Our total clearance numbers are great but our clearance differential is poor. That's because we have more stoppages in our game as teams try and slow us up. If we could get our clearance differential into the positive, this opposition tactic would fail.

Our biggest need if we want to start winning more than we lose right now is one or two clearance machines- Barlow, Kobe Stevens, etc via trade and ready to go inside mids with our early pick(s). Hartlett should be this player too by now- he's not and we need to turn him into a player who is - by trade or transformation.

Totally agree, its our biggest need with a 2nd/tall forward. Would release Grey and Boak to play outside and grey up forward more.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I love to have a bit of argy bargy with Janus on this board but this is a great write up and a great point.

We have a great on paper midfield living off of reputation. Aside from Robbie Gray, nobody who broke out in 13/14 has gone on with it and we really, really struggle to find someone to step up and dominate the clearances for us when the game is on the line. Robbie does it quarter in quarter out. Boak has lost the consistency that made him All Australian in 13/14. Wines hasn't shown enough improvement in his years on the list to be really dominating games.

Hartlett is such a disappointment on this. He looks like an elite footballer. He moves like an elite footballer. He doesn't play like an elite footballer because he doesn't get himself in the right positions often enough. Hartlett actually realising his potential and playing as the genuine blue chip mid we drafted would be wonderful, but unlike Robbie, he wasn't able to finally get over his injury struggles and take his rightful place, and now is a bit of a nothing halfback. What a waste. If he's not traded, play him in the middle and let him use a bit of his natural ability. Tell him his job is to accumulate.

I'd also be moving Chad into the middle more regularly. He's a superstar and we need him there more than we need him up forward. At the end of 2014 we were touching ourselves raw about our midfield class and depth, but we simply don't use it.

Our midfield is a paper tiger. Good on paper, Richmondesque on the field.

 

[Steve Dore]

.... Anyway week doesn't make a 6 week SAS course run by multiple instructors.

I didn't think I said it does

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I didn't think I said it does

You implied it was a military style training course. It wasnt SAS standard.

 

[Steve Dore]

You implied it was a military style training course. It wasnt SAS standard.

Actually I asked a question and then later found the article that described what it was.