If he's with Judd at clearances he's going to nullify judd's impact to begin with. May not have the speed but not many have, Deledio is one of the quickest players in the game and he literally busted his gut trying to catch Judd.
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If he's with Judd at clearances he's going to nullify judd's impact to begin with. May not have the speed but not many have, Deledio is one of the quickest players in the game and he literally busted his gut trying to catch Judd.
DaSawx
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Watson is still too slow, if he is concentarting on Judd he may be less effective at the ball-ups, it's a hard decision
Well we have a lot to work on then. here are my opinions on your points
1. So we need to stop all of their midfielders. Tough ask. Id rather just stop them getting so many clearences. That should be our main goal.
2. Our forward line generally does play tall, so we dont need to change anything there.
3. Glass will play at FB no matter who he is on. Whoever is FF will just need to work hard and make lots of leads.
4. Cant play Ryder forward if we have a resting ruckman there already. Hunter will play forward anyway to compensate for Hansen.
5. I agree with this in principle, but giving their midfield extra time to run means giving them time to get closer to goal. We need to limit their run, not ask them to run.
6. Why the need for roughhouse tactics? They will get found out enough if they arent being fed the ball.
7. Yes they do. Mark Seaby. We should be the ones worried about their backup ruckman, not vice verse.
The main point of this is that if we stop their clearences, it will shutdown their outside players, which stops their run, and starves Lynch of opportunity. Now all we need to do is put it together. It will be tough, but I think we can win.
Sorry if I seemed a bit harsh, but im stressed studying for exams, so i needed to take it out on something. Nothin personal mate
1. You can't stop all of the eagle midfield and i never say we should or could ....i say contain their clearance player(inside player). We all know we must stop the clearance but how??
2.True just want to start laycock or ryder there as well.
3.If glass alway play FF then play luca on him. Luca is a leading player better chance of beating glass here plus it stop the eagle from playing a smaller player on luca. Who will the eagle play on llyod then?
4.resting ruckman can rest on the bench!!! must force hunter to play back by playing an extra tall forward. hopfully ryder.
5.i say force them to carry the ball...did not say give them the space to run.
6.Y not fletcher is soft, their young midfield hv not been tested in this area most club do it to judd and kerr. All i'm saying is concenerate on the younger play.
7.Mark seaby play back? i was refering to laycock in the forward line we all know laycock can't ruck with his level of fitness...
and good with ur exam.....
everyones coming to the same conclusion... we don't have anyone quick enough really. hence let him run, and we can stop some of there other midfielders and attack ourselves
And when Mcveigh's had enough, give Shane Heard a call- the master of the deft tag.
thefamilyguy
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You cant tag judd. He is pretty much untaggable and not worth it.
Kerr on the other hand is very taggable. Stop him and priddis and you go a long way to stopping our midfield. I'm excited about this game, should be a good one, win or loose we always have great battles with essendon.
Our back line will stop your forward line and your back line will stop our forward line, its just a matter of how much the midfielders can pop up and help out in kicking a winning score. ( glass will take lloyd and keep him to < 2 goals and Bones will take lucas and keep him to < 2 goals too. )
Kerr on the other hand is very taggable. Stop him and priddis and you go a long way to stopping our midfield. I'm excited about this game, should be a good one, win or loose we always have great battles with essendon.
Our back line will stop your forward line and your back line will stop our forward line, its just a matter of how much the midfielders can pop up and help out in kicking a winning score. ( glass will take lloyd and keep him to < 2 goals and Bones will take lucas and keep him to < 2 goals too. )
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I would agree that Kerr is probably the best option for a traditional tag. He's a player that's actually well suited to smaller grounds and tighter contests, and will be key for WC. Not that Judd shouldn't receive close attention - Bombers just need to be aware of blocking up the spaces he can run into. He hasn't been in his best form of late, but he's still very damaging. Cox is another one that people don't seem to be mentioning - he's a vital component and if he's allowed space to run around in there's no taller players capable of going with him. He makes a huge difference and links together a lot of attacks.
I don't know if any other hard tags should be applied other than Kerr. Priddis may have had a good couple of weeks, but he's only one of a handful of very good midfielders and you can't cover them all. Having Embley missing is a big plus for you guys though.
In my opinion the Bombers should probably try and exploit the greatest current weakness of WC, which is a rather inexperienced Half-forward line (no Embley, Hansen etc). WC will look to score a good portion of their goals from their midfielders, and zoning up on that half-forward line might be the one way of minimising that threat, while hopefully running off the WC forwards when they get it in the back-half. Sydney have used it very effectively in big games against us for a number of years, but the Swans are a side that runs very hard and I don't know if the Bombers have that kind of capacity.
I don't know if any other hard tags should be applied other than Kerr. Priddis may have had a good couple of weeks, but he's only one of a handful of very good midfielders and you can't cover them all. Having Embley missing is a big plus for you guys though.
In my opinion the Bombers should probably try and exploit the greatest current weakness of WC, which is a rather inexperienced Half-forward line (no Embley, Hansen etc). WC will look to score a good portion of their goals from their midfielders, and zoning up on that half-forward line might be the one way of minimising that threat, while hopefully running off the WC forwards when they get it in the back-half. Sydney have used it very effectively in big games against us for a number of years, but the Swans are a side that runs very hard and I don't know if the Bombers have that kind of capacity.
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As far as playing a tall forward line. Please do.
Glass on Lloyd. Hunter on Lucas. Staker on Laycock. Bones on Hird.
Cmon guys let him run free.
Tag Priddis and Braun instead.
LOL, Not if i have my way.
Slattery to sacrifice his game TOTALLY and try to keep Judd to about 15 posessions, with ALL of them under as much pressure as he can put on him.
Thing is he is so good at breaking tackles that you just can't shut him down.
HBF is spot on, Cox is a massive issue for us also.
Not only in ruckwork, which he is closely linked to Judd, but around the ground he can kill you.
Hille appears to be getting back to some more competitive footy lately, but will really have his work cut out for him this week.
I think we can get up in a very close one, but who ever wins should be a real cracker of a game.
monty1104
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OK, a few things here. #1 is that Hunter will be playing forward because Hanses is out. #2, who is Bones? Whoever it is, Hird will beat him anyway. #3 Staker on Laycock... BAHAHAHAHA Laycock will just toss Staker aside like an unloved toy doll.
Biggie
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Bones (Brett Jones) is in contention for defensive AA selection and has more wind in the tank. (purely because of the age factor)
Staker defeated Goodes in a defensive role Rnd 1. Laycock = Goodes? Dont think so.
Hunts MAY play forward if M.Brown is rendered useless.
BUT underestimate to your hearts content.
West Coast 06
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Those two statements show me that you have not watched West Coast play this year.
Brett Jones has been fanstastic off of half back this year, providing plenty of run out of our defensive 50. Plays tall or small and is quick. Some are saying he is a smokey for AA this year.
Your own supporters have been saying that Laycock is slow and not the fittest guy around. Staker on the other hand has shown to be skillful and has a good tank on him. One of our most improved players this year.
High Ryder
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Bones (Brett Jones) is in contention for defensive AA selection and has more wind in the tank. (purely because of the age factor)
Staker defeated Goodes in a defensive role Rnd 1. Laycock = Goodes? Dont think so.
Hunts MAY play forward if M.Brown is rendered useless.
BUT underestimate to your hearts content.
Pleeease, Bolton owns Goodes. It means absolute jackshit. Staker is a spud. But then again so is Laycock.
Bones (Brett Jones) is in contention for defensive AA selection and has more wind in the tank. (purely because of the age factor)
Staker defeated Goodes in a defensive role Rnd 1. Laycock = Goodes? Dont think so.
Hunts MAY play forward if M.Brown is rendered useless.
BUT underestimate to your hearts content.
Exactly, that's why that comparison is so ridiculous.
Laycock is a completely different kettle of fish.
However, I wouldn't be putting my money on the table that Laycock will be a prominent player in the match. Hasn't had a good game since ANZAC Day, 2005.
monty1104
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Yeah, i havent seen WCE much this year. Im so sorry that I dont know the nicknames of your players. If you had have called him Brett Jones, I would have said that he might be a good match up for Hird.
I agree that Laycock is slow and not the fittest guy, but what he can do is take contested marks and kick goals. He would kill Staker inside the F50, but Staker would beat him around the grounds. Having said that, Staker wont be playing Laycock around the ground because Staker isnt a ruckman, so your point has no validity.
And to adress the person who said Staker beat Goodes; so what. Goodes isnt a big strong marking forward. Laycock is. They are different players and play different roles. It is like saying that because Stenglein can stop someone like Jimmy Bartel, then he must be able to stop Scott Lucas, because Bartel is better than Lucas (BTW im not saying that he did stop Bartel, im just using an example). Its like comparing Apples and Oranges.
monty1104
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Well as a matter of fact, I dont like any apples, so there
I like your enthusiasm for Laycock, but really- big, strong, contested marking, goal kicking forward is stretching it a bit.
monty1104
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Well he is big, strong, and can take contested marks. He is also an accurate shot at goal. Im not saying he has ever put it all together for a good performance, but all the ingredients are there.
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That was me and one of your fellow Bomber supporters GoDons.
Staker would and will beat Laycock in marking contests hands down.
Now do you like them apples?
Laycock = 201 cm 103 kg
Staker = 195cm 95Kg
A significant height and weight advantage. Layock marked well in the slippery conditions last week.
That was me and one of your fellow Bomber supporters GoDons.
Staker would and will beat Laycock in marking contests hands down.
Now do you like them apples?
What was congruent about what I was saying and what you were saying?
Aside from sharing the opinion that Laycock won't have a massive impact on the match, I don't see anything.
If what I put wasn't clear enough, I don't believe you could use Staker's alledged victory over Goodes as reason for why he would beat Laycock. Laycock's a completely different player.
As for your claim that Staker would beat Laycock in a marking contest, I don't see your logic. Laycock's best attribute is his pair of hands whilst Staker's is his agility for his size.
Can you tell me how a smaller player is going to beat a much bigger player 'hands down' in a marking contest when the bigger player's best skill is marking and the smaller player's best skill is agility and, if anything, marking is a weakness?
If Staker plays on Laycock, he'll beat him by running off him as well as providing the ability to contest with him, not beat him, in the air.
