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YesWhen do the end of season reviews/ interviews start? Today?
I take it you dont watch the footy , Ben has already shown he has amazing talent , he has kicked 3 goals twice and 4 goals once in his first season , what more do you need to see
15th and 14th on the ladder and no finals in 8yrs..
I think some Sainters over-rate our list. We haven't got a lot of quality, a good sprinkling of players who can get the ball, do occasional flash things, but not enough of it and go missing for chunks of a game. I look though the list and can only see a few players that I would seriously say are up to top standard. I hope King and Bytel come good, but they have done nothing yet. I hope there are some very tough decisions made with the list before next season.
I have no answers.. We wait and we wait some more.. And hope to god our next 'rebuild' is better than the last.Yep and no where near it still. How long do we have to wait? We need a plan for how to get out of it. At the moment we want things we don't need and have traded out of this draft so have to trade out assets to replace them. We make dumb decisions.
I have no answers.. We wait and we wait some more.. And hope to god our next 'rebuild' is better than the last.
I think a lot have started to come to terms with the list now. We have promising kids and average mid career to older players. Most people want to trade out anything that looks good out of the list and start again it seems. I'm not as keen to step backwards for another rebuild. I think we are going to have to keep supporters engaged while doing an on the fly rebuild, we can't afford any mistakes though. Who ever in charge is almost make or break for us. We will end up in Tassie if we don't get it right.
We have made a lot of list changes and it's almost looking like desperate grabbing at anything that looks shiny now. I just hope they can keep their heads together. Dumb decisions are made under pressure. We have to keep competitive while playing the youth into form. I hope Libba is a gun recruiter, we need to get it right.
Next year we will probably have Geary, Ross....(or maybe not) and Webster still on our list from the 2013 list. So in 6 years we will have pretty much completely turned over the playing list. Geary is probably in his last year or two as well. That's some major instability.
We culled 7-8 players last year. We’ll do the same this year if not slightly more. It’s public Steven wanted out as well.. not much to hide behind. Sometimes a trade can’t be done, but sometimes it’s better to cut and run.
What do you mean if hes injured ? Any played can get injured i would have thoughtHe'd be a back man though. He looks talented for sure. Just don't think he's a priority either seeing we have a poor midfield. What if he's injured then. I would rather draft or trade mids with 2 first rounders.
What do you mean if hes injured ? Any played can get injured i would have thought
But we can think like that or we would never do anything , things happen but you cant sit back and say what if he hurts himselfIf you give up 2 first round picks and you get a Hamilesque injury, you've lost 2.
Think if we'd paid double picks for Paddy.
Major instability or simply recognising how bad a shape the list was in back in 2013?
What do you mean if hes injured ? Any played can get injured i would have thought
We are not go to get a very big fish using them as bait , going to need a bit more mayo on it if we want a tuna instead of a puffa fishIf contracts weren't an issue I would make these changes
Retire/delist:
Rowe
Armitage
Kent
Longer
Pierce
Roberton (if forced)
McCartin
Young
Rice
Trade as long as we get a 3rd round pick or better in return (keep if no takers):
Dunstan
Lonie
Phillips
Newnes
White
McKenzie
On the trade table only if needed to snare a big fish:
Steven
Savage
Carlisle
Sinclair
Acres
Webster
Paton
Long
Thats fair enough but we cant be using Two first rounders , what if he gets hurtIt's going to cost a lot to get him in, I'd rather two mids with two high draft picks myself.
It's going to cost a lot to get him in, I'd rather two mids with two high draft picks myself.
But we can think like that or we would never do anything , things happen but you cant sit back and say what if he hurts himself
The thing is Ben has already shown he is a real talent , you cant be sure of getting two guns in the draft , not with the picks we would be using IMOExactly drafting 2 gun players with 2 draft picks is not doing nothing. An extra key tall isn't going to help us short term.
This to me is the missed opportunity for the last 6 years. We did not improve the general skill level of the team by one iota. Because the taxing game style/focus on effort, even young players with good skills in the TAC cup start to constantly make skill errors in our side such is our manic and headless style.. As a result, the whole team is error prone and can't hit targets to save themselves. It will take time to drill the basic skills to a high standard again.. e.g. be able to hit a 30 metre target accurately with bit of pressure; improve composure/decision making; draw the opponent and handball to release a teammate on the move rather than to a sitting duck about to be tackled.I think if you look at it from a players positions point of view, we can actually get going pretty quickly, if as you say we're smart.
Our backs look solid once we get a few back. If King takes off next year and we can develop guys like Long, Parker and Hind into decent forwards, we'll be ok there.
If Hanners can stay fit, we move Clark to the midfield (i see him as a Pendlebury type... seems to have more time than other players)... Steele has turned into a great tagger... we have Gretsch and Billings... we bring in Hill... We only need another one or two more good onballers and we're away.
The thing for me (as i keep banging on about) is there needs to be a focus on our skills. If we can stop butchering the f*k*n ball and give our forwards some decent delivery, it'll make all the difference.
We also need to set standards as far as players going missing within games. My feeling is that Richo was too soft.