He also takes less pack marks because he's the best at getting separation from his man and doesn't need to take pack marks as a result. His results speak for themselvesAgreed, but as a key forward I don't rate him with the likes of the Carey, Jonathon Brown, Nic Riewoldt and Stephen Kernahan types to take big pack marks we you need in big games. His strength is his agility but the best key forwards are there to take big marks and convert. He is just not elite in that area, he is not bad but he is not in their company. I also forgot to mention Warren Tredrea in my earlier post. He was a good pack mark too and deserves to be mentioned in the conversation after the Brown and Riewoldt types since Wayne Carey era passed.