Who has had a better career? Hawkins v Kennedy v Riewoldt

Who has had a better career?


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Roachy8

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Kennedy and Riewoldt didn't push guys in the back to kick their goals. Hawkins 3rd for me.
Agreed - this still burns me...
Cost Soldo 18 months of footy too.

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tony__montana

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Incredible how evenly matched their respective careers are and yet they're quite different in their playing styles. Hawkins big power forward, Kennedy classic lead out fwd, Jack floating fwd.

JR Goals:739 - Assists:235
TH Goals:701 - Assists:260
JK Goals:704 - Assists:149

Marks, tackles disposals all relatively close as well

Kennedy has played about 30 games less than the other 2.
 

Loz89

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Mar 10, 2022
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In their prime Kennedy. A full forwards 1st priority is to kick goals and he averages more goals per game than the other 2. His highest goal scoring season is better than the other 2, so that’s gotta get the win if you’re objective. I think that Riewoldt has had the best career and Hawkins the most durable and sustained level of excellence and Kennedy the best goal kicker. If goals are not the most important factor than why is buddy better than all 3?
 
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blaisee

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1. Riewoldt
2. JK
3. TH

Riewoldt gets the nod because of the 3 flags, and the fact that he always showed up in finals

Even in the 2013/14/15 elimination finals he was outstanding .

Also the first player in 60 yrs to outscore the oppo in a Grannie with his 5 goals in 2019.
 

eth-dog

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1. Riewoldt
2. JK
3. TH

Riewoldt gets the nod because I'm a Richmond supporter

Even in the 2013/14/15 elimination finals he was outstanding .

Also the first player in 60 yrs to outscore the oppo in a Grannie with his 5 goals in 2019.
FTFY
 

King_Tredrea

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Goals contributed per game

Riewoldt 3.07
Hawkins 3.06
Kennedy 2.96

I think Hawkins is the best player of the 3, but I have him and Jack above Kennedy for sure. Kennedy was a spearhead full forward, and a great one. Hawkins and Jack both have been more than that for a long time
 

AFDogs

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If I had to pick one in their prime to have at the Bulldogs it would be Kennedy. That's purely all I'm basing my vote off.
 

catscollector

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1. Riewoldt
2. JK
3. TH

Riewoldt gets the nod because of the 3 flags, and the fact that he always showed up in finals

Even in the 2013/14/15 elimination finals he was outstanding .

Also the first player in 60 yrs to outscore the oppo in a Grannie with his 5 goals in 2019.

Riewoldt has only been marginally better than Hawkins in finals and that is not good.
Did nothing in 2013.
Pretty mediocre in 2017 averaging 4 marks & 1.3 goals per game.
Did he even play in the 2015 QF?
And probably played his worst finals series in 2020 where he averaged less than 2 marks & 1.2 goals a game.

Kennedy has been pretty damn consistent in September. His marks, disposals and goals did not drop away like the other two did.
 

GastevsBeard

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Riewoldt has only been marginally better than Hawkins in finals and that is not good.
Did nothing in 2013.
Pretty mediocre in 2017 averaging 4 marks & 1.3 goals per game.
Did he even play in the 2015 QF?
And probably played his worst finals series in 2020 where he averaged less than 2 marks & 1.2 goals a game.

Kennedy has been pretty damn consistent in September. His marks, disposals and goals did not drop away like the other two did.

In the 2015 EF, 4 goals in an otherwise sombre performance by the club

Kicked 5 in that fateful 2018 prelim too
 

phantom13

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Incredibly evenly matched. If Hawkins snags another flag this year youd probably have to give him the nod on a CV based assesment id think. Could also be in line for another AA slot this year too.
 

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Quinz

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I am obviously biased, but the three are so close you have to come up with your own criteria weightings to pick one over the other. I feel that Kennedy had the highest peak of the three, and is the best finals player of them.
 

Loz89

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1. Riewoldt
2. JK
3. TH

Riewoldt gets the nod because of the 3 flags, and the fact that he always showed up in finals

Even in the 2013/14/15 elimination finals he was outstanding .

Also the first player in 60 yrs to outscore the oppo in a Grannie with his 5 goals in 2019.
JK or Hawk kicks seven on Phil Davis in the condition he was in on that day. Definitely not a good reference point for Riewoldts ability
 

Loz89

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Goals contributed per game

Riewoldt 3.07
Hawkins 3.06
Kennedy 2.96

I think Hawkins is the best player of the 3, but I have him and Jack above Kennedy for sure. Kennedy was a spearhead full forward, and a great one. Hawkins and Jack both have been more than that for a long time
Surely as full forwards you factor in their actual goals per game average? Selective stats
 

King_Tredrea

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Surely as full forwards you factor in their actual goals per game average? Selective stats

Riewoldt and Hawkins have shown an ability to influence games in other ways and create. Josh Kennedy has always been a goal square lead-mark Full forward. Which he is very good at. I just think Hawkins and Riewoldt are more complete players.
 

blaisee

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If Hawkins is such a great player, how come he never kicked more than 7 goals is a game and he played FF in the greatest home and away team of the last decade ?
 

Foxman98

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If Hawkins is such a great player, how come he never kicked more than 7 goals is a game and he played FF in the greatest home and away team of the last decade ?
If Dustin Martin is such a great player how come he's never had more then 38 disposals in a game playing with no defensive role in the best team of the last decade? See how it's a shite argument
 

blaisee

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If Dustin Martin is such a great player how come he's never had more then 38 disposals in a game playing with no defensive role in the best team of the last decade? See how it's a shite argument

Not really

Its a dumb argument.

Hawkins doesn't have any other job other than kicking goals.
 

Foxman98

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Are you OK?
I'm Okay Blaisee just pointing out him not ever kicking over 7 goals isn't really an issue when you take into account score involvements and the fact he is only 30 goals behind Riewoldt who he will pass next year anyway