Who is accountable for our club's catastrophic misreading of our list?

[hey shorty]

Brad Crouch doesn't run defensively at all, he can't break lines because he doesn't have the pace, he isn't evasive, he doesn't win enough quality clearances, and he can't hit targets by foot, especially going forward where he's one of the chief midfielders responsible for our trash tier inside 50 entries, which just make our already ordinary forward structure look even worse.

What is it about him exactly that makes you think he's so great? He's largely supposed to occupy the same space as Tim Kelly does for Geelong, but the difference in ability between the two was starkly demonstrated down at Kardinia Park a week ago.

I'm not arguing with you, there's no point. Doesn't matter that most intelligent football people don't share your view.... you just like to be different.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Brad Crouch doesn't run defensively at all, he can't break lines because he doesn't have the pace, he isn't evasive, he doesn't win enough quality clearances, and he can't hit targets by foot, especially going forward where he's one of the chief midfielders responsible for our trash tier inside 50 entries, which just make our already ordinary forward structure look even worse.

What is it about him exactly that makes you think he's so great? He's largely supposed to occupy the same space as Tim Kelly does for Geelong, but the difference in ability between the two was starkly presented down at Kardinia Park a week ago.

Highlighted bits are true enough.

But I’m not sure why you’re on a one-man crusade. In our bad losses there have been at least 6-8 worse passengers than B.Crouch.

 

[NTRabbit]

Highlighted bits are true enough.

But I’m not sure why you’re on a one-man crusade. In our bad losses there have been at least 6-8 worse passengers than B.Crouch.

Because our real problem has been at the top of our midfield for years - we've never solved it, and didn't even acknowledge it until what has turned into the Gibbs debacle. Passengers at the bottom end of a midfield group don't matter in the slightest if the top end of the group just aren't good enough.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Because our real problem has been at the top of our midfield for years - we've never solved it, and didn't even acknowledge it until what has turned into the Gibbs debacle.

It’s been a problem since number 32 left, there’s no two ways about that.

 

[hey shorty]

It’s been a problem since number 32 left, there’s no two ways about that.

Who ironically is one of the worst 2 way midfielders in the game.

But yep I'd like to have him in the side.

 

[ABAB]

Brad Crouch doesn't run defensively at all, he can't break lines because he doesn't have the pace, he isn't evasive, he doesn't win enough quality clearances, and he can't hit targets by foot, especially going forward where he's one of the chief midfielders responsible for our trash tier inside 50 entries, which just make our already ordinary forward structure look even worse.

What is it about him exactly that makes you think he's so great? He's largely supposed to occupy the same space as Tim Kelly does for Geelong, but the difference in ability between the two was starkly demonstrated down at Kardinia Park a week ago.

Douglas, Mackay, Jacobs, and Walker all ought to be strongly encouraged to retire. Brad Crouch, Atkins, and Kelly should all be flipped for whatever we can get for them, and Kelly should fetch a pretty good price after this season. Atkins is the sort of player a pseudo-contending club like Essendon might be enticed into overpaying for, and a couple of clubs might be into giving us a pick to 'refresh' Crouch's faltering career. Now is the time.

B.Crouch is quick, didn't you see that play where he burst from the defensive 50....he just doesn't use it enough.

 

[hey shorty]

B.Crouch is quick, didn't you see that play where he burst from the defensive 50....he just doesn't use it enough.

Don't worry about the Rabbit, Brad ran over his dog once so he hates him.

 

[NTRabbit]

Who ironically is one of the worst 2 way midfielders in the game.

But yep I'd like to have him in the side.

It's ok to have a one way midfielder or two, so long as their attack outweighs the lack of defense. Outside of his bad kicking days, Dangerfield is a powerhouse midfielder, with pace and dynamism, and great ability as an extra marking forward and as a crumbing forward. Brad Crouch is none of these things.

 

[Scorpus]

A lot of people are saying we might have a list to contend.

Not saying this is right, but it's a disgrace that we really just don't know because we are picking old spuds over elite young talent.

We genuinely have no idea what a refreshed, younger, faster Crows would look like and whether (combined with some senior players) that would be enough.

We don't know because we are too pissweak to try. Too scared of not making the eight "where anything can happen".

It's ****ed up.

 

[Cleric]

Luck???
The vic bias is against us (I'm victorian too btw), the VFL bias against us.
We have large support and cash. That keeps us important, but not given any favours.
We should be more powerful like WC. So, ultimately, I agree with your line of run by mediocre people - but not by luck - by wealth.
We always get 50k to each match. Lets have a season of 25k attendance and see them panic...

Port have more income than we do. We ain't that wealthy. We are mid table.

 

[hey shorty]

A lot of people are saying we might have a list to contend.

Not saying this is right, but it's a disgrace that we really just don't know because we are picking old spuds over elite young talent.

We genuinely have no idea what a refreshed, younger, faster Crows would look like and whether (combined with some senior players) that would be enough.

We don't know because we are too pissweak to try. Too scared of not making the eight "where anything can happen".

It's f’ed up.

Pick the right senior guys, surround them with a handful of promising kids and watch the older guys look revitalised.

I reckon Eddie would have been pumped to see us trade in Stengle.... he might get to play SANFL with him

 

[hey shorty]

Port have more income than we do. We ain't that wealthy. We are mid table.

And yet we pay more equalisation tax.

 

[ABAB]

A lot of people are saying we might have a list to contend.

Not saying this is right, but it's a disgrace that we really just don't know because we are picking old spuds over elite young talent.

We genuinely have no idea what a refreshed, younger, faster Crows would look like and whether (combined with some senior players) that would be enough.

We don't know because we are too pissweak to try. Too scared of not making the eight "where anything can happen".

It's f’ed up.

They saw we were still in winning position against the premiership contender although end up losing the game so they didn't want to change anything, even though Douglas (and a lesser extent MacKay) played s**t against them.

 

[Cleric]

The decision to trade in Gibbs was terrible. Who is going to pay the price for that?
Our selection has be shocking. But on top of that we are closer to a rebuild than a flag.

 

[Cleric]

And yet we pay more equalisation tax.

Yep, and paid more for our license than they did. Yet, they have more income than we do.

 

[hey shorty]

Yep, and paid more for our license than they did. Yet, they have more income than we do.

Thanks AFL

 

[ABAB]

Port have more income than we do. We ain't that wealthy. We are mid table.

Revenue from membership and ticket sales we are up there, but some clubs somehow have a lot more "assets" then us (we are bottom in that regards) as listed in their financial report. A big chunk of Port Power's revenue are due to China, which they are break-even and not making any profit to contribute to the AFL equalisation tax, we are so we do.

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[Scorpus]

They saw we were still in winning position against the premiership contender although end up losing the game so they didn't want to change anything, even though Douglas (and a lesser extent MacKay) played s**t against them.

If we aren't dropping players because we "nearly" beat a team... we need new coaches

 

[Bicks]

Brad Crouch?? The bloke leading our BnF ??

There's vendettas and then there's pure, unadulterated ****headedness

The Wabbit only appears after a bad loss and invariably it's the Crouchs' fault.....When we win or even if we lose and they play well he's invisible. He is a dead set joke.

 

[ABAB]

If we aren't dropping players because we "nearly" beat a team... we need new coaches

They were "banking" on them coming good which will allow their improved performance to beat the team, but clearly Douglas isn't after giving him 4 weeks to find form.

 

[hey shorty]

Revenue from membership and ticket sales we are up there, but some clubs somehow have a lot more "assets" then us (we are bottom in that regards) as listed in their financial report. A big chunk of Port Power's revenue are due to China, which they are break-even and not making any profit to contribute to the AFL equalisation tax, we are so we do.

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Clubs have pubs and pokies we dont.

 

[NTRabbit]

They saw we were still in winning position against the premiership contender although end up losing the game so they didn't want to change anything, even though Douglas (and a lesser extent MacKay) played s**t against them.

The problem isn't at the fringes, the problem is at the core.

We already have picks 2, 20, and 26-32ish. If we can flip Kelly, Crouch, and Atkins in such a way that we turn that into 5 picks inside 30, or maybe spread some out into next year, add those retirements, then we have a decent start for a rebuild - Jones and McHenry in year 2, a pointy end midfielder with pick 2, a dozen other players (Sholl, McPherson, McAdam, Hamill, Butts, Wilson, Davis, Stengle, Fogarty, Himmelberg, Poholke, plus 2-4 more second round onwards draftees) we can run through and find out if they're worth keeping, we still have Doedee and Milera, and we retain enough experience to not do a Carlton/Melbourne, who could also still possibly be around when it matters again a few years from now.

It's what we should be doing.

 

[relapse]

Douglas, Mackay, Jacobs, Brad Crouch, Atkins, Walker, are all players that should not be on our list under any circumstances next season.

Ideally neither would Kelly, as he's a perfect candidate to flip for picks when the price is highest. Not a comment on him, just an acceptance that Doedee is better, and selling the strongly performing but otherwise not outstanding backup and letting a couple of 18-20 year olds develop as backups is how quality list management is supposed to work.

Gallucci should be informed of how thin the ice beneath him is, and how easily it can break before the end of 2020.

If wee instead try and flip pick 2 into another top up player, even if it is Grundy, I'll burn the HQ down myself.

Why would you trade Pick 2 for Grundy when we could get him at the end of 2020 as a free agent?

On hand you're wanting us to bottom out, but on the other you're wanting to give pick 2 away just so we can get Grundy 12 months earlier.

If the club wanted to bottom out surely it would be better to keep pick 2 this year and go for Grundy in 12 months time when we can get him for nothing.

 

[Elite Crow]

Brad Crouch doesn't run defensively at all, he can't break lines because he doesn't have the pace, he isn't evasive, he doesn't win enough quality clearances, and he can't hit targets by foot, especially going forward where he's one of the chief midfielders responsible for our trash tier inside 50 entries, which just make our already ordinary forward structure look even worse.

What is it about him exactly that makes you think he's so great? He's largely supposed to occupy the same space as Tim Kelly does for Geelong, but the difference in ability between the two was starkly demonstrated down at Kardinia Park a week ago.

Douglas, Mackay, Jacobs, and Walker all ought to be strongly encouraged to retire. Brad Crouch, Atkins, and Kelly should all be flipped for whatever we can get for them, and Kelly should fetch a pretty good price after this season. Atkins is the sort of player a pseudo-contending club like Essendon might be enticed into overpaying for, and a couple of clubs might be into giving us a pick to 'refresh' Crouch's faltering career. Now is the time.

And be pushed in line at Wendy’s

 

[NTRabbit]

Why would you trade Pick 2 for Grundy when we could get him at the end of 2020 as a free agent?

On hand you're wanting us to bottom out, but on the other you're wanting to give pick 2 away just so we can get Grundy 12 months earlier.

If the club wanted to bottom out surely it would be better to keep pick 2 this year and go for Grundy in 12 months time when we can get him for nothing.

I don't want us to trade 2 for Grundy, I thought I made that clear with my threat of arson

also I forgot to add Otten to the retiree list