Opinion Who is currently the best player in the AFL

[Big Sauce 21]

Andrews? hes a very good player, underated but top 3 is a stretch i think

I can name 3 better

Who is yours ?

 

[demondavey]

Only because his team mates let him. Gets seriously exposed if he needs to defend. Slow and weak

I wouldn’t say he is weak…

 

[Mr Meow]

So given you didn't answer my initial question...

How well do we think Will went in the last quarter this week. Daicos had a all-time great quarter...

Will had...

5 disposals with a massive 75 meters gained. He was torched by the Picketts and Chandler on multiple occasions.

Do you know how many times he attended a centre bounce in the last quarter? Basically ALL of them, he was in there 10 times with a massive ONE clearance.

It was such a iconic performance from Will that the commentators started to his jizz themselves on his second attempted clearance but due to his lighting speed that would've challenged a Galapagos tortoise, unfortunately he was run down in a tackle. Game over. See you next week.

Not many would argue that Ashcroft has been anything beyond good in H&A. Damaging some games, fairly low impact in others. Nowhere near the consistency or reliability of Daicos. Which is one factor that makes his 8 finals so far incredible. To some degree you can say the same about a number of Lions players though. They've really turned it up when it counts after some inconsistent H&A seasons.

 

[Fadge]

Maybe inverse was a stretch but Ashcroft has been better.

And I never said Ashcroft hasn't been better.

But Daicos doesn't have the likes of Neale and McGluggage to take attention away from him. I mean, Geelong even chose to tag Rayner ahead of WAshcroft...

 

[demondavey]

Fadgy, you know I'm serious so stop with the byplay.

You have creamed you're pants from Nicky's performance on the weekend and insinuating he's been that player all along.

Harley Reid reached epic porportions recently and it's died off for obvious reasons.
Cyril Rioli was extremely overrated for doing very little at the end of the day but Daicos takes the cake.

Bontempelli is so far ahead as a complete midfielder. I really think he wins a well deserved Brownlow medal this season.

And when he does, you watch the outcry because Nick missed out again.
The outcry we all heard last year because he wasn't awarded the clubs best player award.

Someone that agrees Cyril Rioli was overrated… finally.

Yeah the B&F melt from McCrae was so pathetic. Way to show support for the guy that actually won it.

 

[Fadge]

Bontempelli is so far ahead as a complete midfielder. I really think he wins a well deserved Brownlow medal this season.

Bont would absolutely be a deserving Brownlow Medallist, but he'd want to improve on his form from the last couple of weeks....

 

[Mr Meow]

And I never said Ashcroft hasn't been better.

But Daicos doesn't have the likes of Neale and McGluggage to take attention away from him. I mean, Geelong even chose to tag Rayner ahead of WAshcroft...

Rayner is a forward pocket. We send a back pocket to him.

We've tagged McCluggage over Ashcroft, but after 2 dominant finals series, I'm not sure any team should run that same risk again.

 

[demondavey]

And I never said Ashcroft hasn't been better.

But Daicos doesn't have the likes of Neale and McGluggage to take attention away from him. I mean, Geelong even chose to tag Rayner ahead of WAshcroft...

Daicos has had a lot of protection over the years. Lots. It’s going to be really interesting when Pendlebury and Sidebottom go. If Daicos maintains his current output without that support I’ll be with you singing his praises. That’s going to be the real test.

You have been critical of Cripps in the past, one thing I’ll give him is that he had carried that Carlton side for years, let’s see if Daicos can do it for even a little while.

 

[RCAB]

Cyril Rioli was extremely overrated for doing very little at the end of the day

So you're just trolling now.

On ignore you go.

 

[demondavey]

Bont would absolutely be a deserving Brownlow Medallist, but he'd want to improve on his form from the last couple of weeks....

Agreed. He has had some average games. I think he’ll respond. I’d not be surprised if Daicos won it. He’d deserve it for sure.

 

[My Tilly]

And I never said Ashcroft hasn't been better.

But Daicos doesn't have the likes of Neale and McGluggage to take attention away from him. I mean, Geelong even chose to tag Rayner ahead of WAshcroft...

de Goey, Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Crisp with Houston running through and you were premiership favourites after round 18 . . . Fadge, you sure you follow the footy as closely as you like to think you do?

I'm not implying Collingwood's midfield bats as deep as Brisbane's but they were rated as one of the best last year.

Teams aren't exactly locking down on Daicos at the moment either.

 

[Fadge]

Daicos has had a lot of protection over the years. Lots. It’s going to be really interesting when Pendlebury and Sidebottom go. If Daicos maintains his current output without that support I’ll be with you singing his praises. That’s going to be the real test.

You have been critical of Cripps in the past, one thing I’ll give him is that he had carried that Carlton side for years, let’s see if Daicos can do it for even a little while.

I don't recall the likes of Pendlebury and Sidey copping tags ahead of Daicos...

What has Cripps carried Carlton to?

Do you honestly think Collingwood finish top 4 in any of the last 4 seasons if we didn't have Daicos, let alone 3 of them?

I don't.

 

[Fadge]

de Goey, Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Crisp with Houston running through and you were premiership favourites after round 18 . . . Fadge, you sure you follow the footy as closely as you like to think you do?

I'm not implying Collingwood's midfield bats as deep as Brisbane's but they were rated as one of the best last year.

Teams aren't exactly locking down on Daicos at the moment either.

And none get tagged ahead of Daicos.

 

[Rash]

Who is yours ?

I think its, for this year: (If not based on this year its still these 6 players but in another order)

1. Heeney
2. Daicos
3. Butters

Bont
Gawn
B. Smith

I have Andrews as the best key position defender, but not top 5

 

[Mr Meow]

I don't recall the likes of Pendlebury and Sidey copping tags ahead of Daicos...

What has Cripps carried Carlton to?

Do you honestly think Collingwood finish top 4 in any of the last 4 seasons if we didn't have Daicos, let alone 3 of them?

I don't.

You've been singing the praises of Collingwood's list for years and now have completely jumped off in retrospect because the cliff finally approaches. A Daicos fan, not a Collingwood supporter anymore - the transition is complete.

 

[demondavey]

I don't recall the likes of Pendlebury and Sidey copping tags ahead of Daicos...

What has Cripps carried Carlton to?

Do you honestly think Collingwood finish top 4 in any of the last 4 seasons if we didn't have Daicos, let alone 3 of them?

I don't.

Cripps is one player. When I say carried I mean been the only player who has been a consistent A grader. You want to stop Carlton then you stop Cripps. 2x Brownlow medals suggest he has worked through intense pressure very well.

No, Collingwood likely doesn’t win in 2023 without ND but those other players you named have helped free up Daicos. Who has Carlton had to help Cripps? Their best player I can remember was Kade Simpson. He won’t really be remembered in the same way as Pendlebury and Sidebottom.

My point is if Daicos can maintain his output without senior bodies supporting him then I’ll seriously elevate my opinion of him. It’s not like I don’t rate him either, he is an absolute weapon.

 

[Fadge]

You've been singing the praises of Collingwood's list for years and now have completely jumped off in retrospect because the cliff finally approaches. A Daicos fan, not a Collingwood supporter anymore - the transition is complete.

Sorry, didn't realise Daicos wasn't a key component of Collingwood's list...

 

[Mr Meow]

Sorry, didn't realise Daicos wasn't a key component of Collingwood's list...

In other words you've disputed nothing I said for the 1000th time.

 

[demondavey]

Sorry, didn't realise Daicos wasn't a key component of Collingwood's list...

Are you seriously suggesting nobody recognises this? Take out Crisp, Pendlebury, Sidebottom and JDG and then ask your next 4 best big bodied experienced mids to support Daicos. Let him play through 3-4 years of a rebuild. His next 60 might be a lot harder than his first 100.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

I think its, for this year: (If not based on this year its still these 6 players but in another order)

1. Heeney
2. Daicos
3. Butters

Bont
Gawn
B. Smith

I have Andrews as the best key position defender, but not top 5

Each to their own I guess. Bailey Smith is a horrible footballer.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

If you actually read the words I wrote, I never actually claimed that Bontempelli went into the game injured. Just that he was injured, for at least a period of the game.

What's not to say that he would have broken the shackles of the Mullin tag in the third and fourth quarter, thus generating more player ratings points, had he not been injured during it? Which could have led to the Dogs to a incredible second-half comeback win>

Yes of course he was outplayed in the first half of the game, obviously, but I never said he wasn't. Just that his total match output was impacted by injury, which it was.

Your comments are neither here nor there. Just simply irrelevant.

Bont got badly beaten last week and then badly beaten this week prior to his third qtr injury.

Probably the most important and relevant facts are the above. The rest of your discussions is odd discourse

 

[Rash]

Each to their own I guess. Bailey Smith is a horrible footballer.

Kicking is average, contested work is a weakness. But he more than makes up for it in my opinion.

 

[JHF1870]

So what 'equalisation' algorithm have you used to arrive at this conclusion?

It's an equalisation formula using a K constant value to account for smaller sample sizes fairly. It won't be as relevant as we get more games except in individual cases where a particular player like Bont last year with 18 games can compare with someone who had 23. But given 18 games is a fair sample it won't make a lot of difference.

If you're interested in equalisation formulas I suggest doing some research on what they are and how they work.

 

[Mr Meow]

It's an equalisation formula using a K constant value to account for smaller sample sizes fairly. It won't be as relevant as we get more games except in individual cases where a particular player like Bont last year with 18 games can compare with someone who had 23. But given 18 games is a fair sample it won't make a lot of difference.

If you're interested in equalisation formulas I suggest doing some research on what they are and how they work.

I wouldn't advise he does that before he even learns the basics of positive correlation between two variables.

 

[Fadge]

It's an equalisation formula using a K constant value to account for smaller sample sizes fairly. It won't be as relevant as we get more games except in individual cases where a particular player like Bont last year with 18 games can compare with someone who had 23. But given 18 games is a fair sample it won't make a lot of difference.

If you're interested in equalisation formulas I suggest doing some research on what they are and how they work.

Again, you are speaking very generally without explaining what equalisation formula has been applied to your algorithm.

I wonder why that is?