Who is softer - Marc Murphy or Greg Tivendale

Who is softer - Marc Murphy or Greg Tivendale?

  • Murphy

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  • Tivendale

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  • Murphy, but he's still a tiny bit better player

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lids2004roar

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CHECK THE STATS BEFORE YOU VOTE:

18.2 ____ Disposals ____ 17.5

12.5 ____ Kicks ____ 11.2

5.0 ____ Long Kicks ____ 3.0

5.5 ____ Marks ____ 5.4

0.2 ____ Contested Marks ____ 0

5.6 ____ Handballs ____ 6.3

4.3 ____ Tackles ____ 3.3

0.5 ____ Goals ____ 0.6

0.5 ____ Behinds ____ 0.2

0.7 ____ Frees For ____ 1.2

0.8 ____ Frees Against ____ 0.8

0 ____ Hitouts ____ 0

3.0 ____ First Possessions ____ 1.8

2.4 ____ Clearances ____ 2.1

4.7 ____ Inside 50s ____ 3.5

1.2 ____ Rebound 50s ____ 1.2

2.0 ____ Contested Possessions ____ 1.2

17.8 ____ Uncontested Possessions ____ 16.7

3.2 ____ 1%ers ____ 2.5

3.0 ____ Errors ____ 2.4

1.6 ____ Bounces ____ 0.6



http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=112&pid1=652&tid2=103&pid2=2006028



Since Murphy is currently being hailed god who will win 4 Brownlows and his stats are being compared to just about everybody I thought I'd put into perspective what kind of player he is shaping into.

The similarities are scary.

Tivendale is harder at the ball than Murphy.

Tivendale tackles more than Murphy!

Tivendale takes more marks, gets first possession, more clearances, more inside 50's, more bounces, more LONG kicks, does more 1%ers to help the team, and only a mere 0.6 higher error rate :eek: That's embarassing!


Satistically Tivendale is clearly better than Murphy and the similarities are breathtaking. So to answer the poll question, just who is the softer player?
 

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Tivendales hard ball gets are on the half back flank, Murphys are in the centre square where it really counts against better players in heavier traffic!
 

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It's all relative on two things though:

Age and experience. Murph is just beginning, he's got plenty of time to be better and rack up better stats. Better comparing them at the same age and/or games.

As for who's softer - did you pinch both their arms?
 

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He played better than that "gun" Murphy did last year... how good is that! :D

(Yes I'm taking the piss but cmon, the stats say it's true so well it must be!)
No wonder so many people bag Richmond, we have people like you coming on here saying TIVENDALE played better than Marc Murphy, if Murphy had of played the whole season then the most likely outcome would have been him holding up the Rising Star Medal.

Tivendale get cheap INEFFECTIVE possesions, he will hopefully get dropped this week and never play in the Yellow & Black again instead he can where the Navy Blue & Red Strip.
 

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Worst thread ever.

You seriously have to be kidding Benny.

Murphy has the makings of being a superstar.
I never said he didn't have the makings to be a superstar. I'm a huge Murphy fan.


No wonder so many people bag Richmond, we have people like you coming on here saying TIVENDALE played better than Marc Murphy, if Murphy had of played the whole season then the most likely outcome would have been him holding up the Rising Star Medal.

Tivendale get cheap INEFFECTIVE possesions, he will hopefully get dropped this week and never play in the Yellow & Black again instead he can where the Navy Blue & Red Strip.
Cheap ineffective possessions? He clearly won more hardball than Murphy, and only had a mere 0.6 higher error rate. Not to mention more tackles, clearances and inside 50's.

Tiv had a good year.

But...

Surprised only Thrawn has actually hit the nail on the head.


Tiv is not getting any better. Murphy is ;)

But make no mistake about it, Tiv was better than Murphy last year. A guy in his prime was slightly better than a kid in his first season. Actually I'm not even shocked.
 

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No wonder so many people bag Richmond, we have people like you coming on here saying TIVENDALE played better than Marc Murphy, if Murphy had of played the whole season then the most likely outcome would have been him holding up the Rising Star Medal.
Go easy. Murphy played a little over half the season, but got less than one-third of the votes Danyle Pearce polled. Don't shortchange Pearce, or even Andrew Raines or Heath Shaw for that matter, who both more than doubled Murphy's total. Murphy was clearly the best-polling first year player, however, much to his credit.
 
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Cheap ineffective possessions? He clearly won more hardball than Murphy, and only had a mere 0.6 higher error rate. Not to mention more tackles, clearances and inside 50's.

Tiv had a good year.
Bwahahaha. Did you write yourself a "get out" clause for this thread? Just asking, because you seriously need it right now. :D
 

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Go easy. Murphy played a little over half the season, but got less than one-third of the votes Danyle Pearce polled. Don't shortchange Pearce, or even Andrew Raines or Heath Shaw for that matter, who both more than doubled Murphy's total. Murphy was clearly the best-polling first year player, however, much to his credit.
Yeah Muprhy had votes and Barely played over half a season, Murphy was the better player up until he was injured and there is no doubt if he were to have continued he would have won the Rising Star Award.
 
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Go easy. Murphy played a little over half the season, but got less than one-third of the votes Danyle Pearce polled. Don't shortchange Pearce, or even Andrew Raines or Heath Shaw for that matter, who both more than doubled Murphy's total. Murphy was clearly the best-polling first year player, however, much to his credit.
It doesn't work on percentage of votes. Murph may well have been getting the 5 votes from many who ended up giving him 0, 1 or 2, until injured. Most scribes were suggesting that. He then dropped down to minor vote status and was well out of the running.
 

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Cheap ineffective possessions? He clearly won more hardball than Murphy, and only had a mere 0.6 higher error rate. Not to mention more tackles, clearances and inside 50's.
0.6 errors per game, that stat does not include: Kicks to nobody, hospital hanballs, holding the ball too long, turnovers resulting in opposition goals.

There are plenty of things that Tivendale does not do, that include 1%ers like: running after opposition, sheparding, running out a full game, second chance plays, HARD tackles that bring players to the ground, not just holding onto a player.
 

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I know how it works, a panel choose their top 5 for the season. All the more reason that Murphy would be less disadvantaged, because the selectors might have rated Murphy the best they'd seen, but they didn't.

If it were a Brownlow-type round-by-round format, maybe you'd have at least a weak case for those comments. As it is, there's far too many people around here who fail to give Pearce his due.
 

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0.6 errors per game, that stat does not include: Kicks to nobody, hospital hanballs, holding the ball, giving away free kicks, turnovers resulting in opposition goals.

There are plenty of things that Tivendale does not do, that include 1%ers like: running after opposition, sheparding, running out a full game, second chance plays, HARD tackles that bring players to the ground, not just holding onto a player.
I don't think Tiv is a great player... but you are being a little hard on Tiv don't ya think?

Stuff like holding the ball (aka Frees Against) was exactly the same as Murphy.

When you say Tiv does less 1%ers then look at this:

Tiv ______________ Murph
3.2 ____ 1%ers ____ 2.5


Running out a game? Tiv is very fit, he finished 6th in the NAB Challenge I believe.



Otherwise I agree. Gee read the OP and you'll realise I was poking fun at the people who use stats for everything anyway. Tivendale finished 6th in our B+F I think so yes he did have a better year than Murphy in 2006.

'07 and beyond however will be a different story.
 

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I don't think Tiv is a great player... but you are being a little hard on Tiv don't ya think?

Stuff like holding the ball (aka Frees Against) was exactly the same as Murphy.

When you say Tiv does less 1%ers then look at this:

Tiv ______________ Murph
3.2 ____ 1%ers ____ 2.5


Running out a game? Tiv is very fit, he finished 6th in the NAB Challenge I believe.



Otherwise I agree. Gee read the OP and you'll realise I was poking fun at the people who use stats for everything anyway. Tivendale finished 6th in our B+F I think so yes he did have a better year than Murphy in 2006.

'07 and beyond however will be a different story.
Dont use the excuse that you were poking fun at anything, you were being serious.

Tivendale finished 6th in our B&F but he played about 10 more games than Murphy.

A couple of things I have changed from my original posting like the Holding the Ball thing was meant to be him holding the ball to long and not giving it off when he should then turning it over.

I am not saying Tiv isn't fit but he doesn't run out a game as hard as he could, if you look at benchmark players in this league you will see that they have sweat pouring off them at the end of a match, I dont think I have ever seen Tivendale even break into half a sweat, even in 40 degree heat.
 
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