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After round 20 (not 19) the Swans had a percentage of 112. Collingwood's after round 20 is 106.The last two teams won flags.
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So, regardless of the fact West Coast beat Collingwood, had Collingwood have played 3 games against West Coast and North Melbourne and won them each by 100 points, yet had exactly the same results in every other game, Collingwood's percentage would have been over 120%After round 20 (not 19) the Swans had a percentage of 112. Collingwood's after round 20 is 106.
By season's end the Swans had a percentage of 115.
Richmond had a percentage at round 20 2019 of 111.
By season's end Richmond had a percentage of 113.
Your examples are wishful thinking and upon closer scrutiny they also show the gap between your two examples and this year's Collingwood team.
So in your universe, Pies are better off playing easy beats in the last few weeks to bump up their percentage instead of carving out victories against other contenders in Melbourne, Sydney and Carlton and end up on a low percentage?After round 20 (not 19) the Swans had a percentage of 112. Collingwood's after round 20 is 106.
By season's end the Swans had a percentage of 115.
Richmond had a percentage at round 20 2019 of 111.
By season's end Richmond had a percentage of 113.
Your examples are wishful thinking and upon closer scrutiny they also show the gap between your two examples and this year's Collingwood team.
What ? Your post is nonsensical.So in your universe, Pies are better off playing easy beats in the last few weeks to bump up their percentage instead of carving out victories against other contenders in Melbourne, Sydney and Carlton and end up on a low percentage?
I’d rather have played and beaten Melbourne this week by 7 points than played a North or WCE and won by 70. What’s factually incorrect about what I sent you exactly?
When has a team’s H&A percentage had any impact on that same team’s finals position? Wouldn’t the win/loss and ladder position have the greatest bearing on a team’s premiership chances?What ? Your post is nonsensical.
A team's percentage is over 22 games.
If it stays where it is it will be the lowest since when to win a flag ? When has a team won a flag with a percentage of 106 post the H&A season ?
Your profile isn't one of a typical premiership side.
I'm not saying it's impossible that Collingwood go on to win, but highly unlikely.
Percentage = Profile?Your profile isn't one of a typical premiership side.
Percentage is an important reflection of the quality of a team.When has a team’s H&A percentage had any impact on that same team’s finals position? Wouldn’t the win/loss and ladder position have the greatest bearing on a team’s premiership chances?
Would you rather finish 1st/2nd on the ladder with 106% or 5th with 120%? Which gives you a better chance at a flag?
Pies haven't impressed Trav 20!Percentage is an important reflection of the quality of a team.
Obviously, wins determine ladder position (along with percentage).
Any team ''can'' win from top 4, but I'm not backing a team that finishes with a percentage of 106 to do much damage in finals. But is it possible ? Of course.
There are reasons a team finishes with such a low percentage.
What I'm asserting isn't ground-breaking or controversial. Collingwood have done well to fall over the line so often, and that is a skill in itself (along with some luck), but many of the wins are hardly what one would call impressive, which is why your percentage is so low.
You had a percentage over 140 in 2010. Why was your percentage so impressive ?Pies haven't impressed Trav 20!
Someone call Fly and tell him the Pies should just forfeit their finals, they're just wasting everyone else's time!
Percentage is an important reflection of the quality of a team.
Obviously, wins determine ladder position (along with percentage).
Yeah, they didn’t belt the bottom sides like some others did. Again, has no bearing in September. It’s how they match up against the other finalist. There aren’t too many other finalists Collingwood have been belted by, or have the wood over us.Any team ''can'' win from top 4, but I'm not backing a team that finishes with a percentage of 106 to do much damage in finals. But is it possible ? Of course.
There are reasons a team finishes with such a low percentage.
What I'm asserting isn't ground-breaking or controversial. Collingwood have done well to fall over the line so often, and that is a skill in itself (along with some luck), but many of the wins are hardly what one would call impressive, which is why your percentage is so low.
Say what? Do you ever deal in facts?You had a percentage over 140 in 2010. Why was your percentage so impressive ?
Because you were a quality team that only lost 2 games on your way to a flag.
Conversely, you're not a great team in 2022 for obvious reasons.
And nor should you be coming from 17th.
Do you do common sense ?
Percentage across a 22 game season IS importand and a reflection of the quality of a team.No it’s not. It’s a truer reflection of whether a team are flat track bullies or not. Beating WCE or North by 100 points mean SFA in September. Geelong is the only team who’s percentage can be spoken about this season as they’ve belted other top 8 sides comprehensively and consistently.
My question to you again. Would you rather finish top 4 with 106% or 5th with 120%?
Yeah, they didn’t belt the bottom sides like some others did. Again, has no bearing in September. It’s how they match up against the other finalist. There aren’t too many other finalists Collingwood have been belted by, or have the wood over us.
Put us, a team with 106%, against the team with 128% in September and I’m going in confident every single time because we’ve won 6 of the last 7 against them.
Not in the H&A, Genius, which is when percentage is determined. You know, the thing I'm arguing.Say what? Do you ever deal in facts?
Collingwood lost more than two games in 2010.
Our percentage in 2011 was better than in 2010, yet we fell short in our quest for the flag.
I'll say it again - 5 teams have finished in the Top 4 with a percentage less than 110% since the current finals system has been in place. Two of those teams have won the flag.
What kind of nonsense is this?Four goals from free kicks to Melbourne's none didn't hurt either. And I'm not saying they weren't there.
Forgot Melksham, but the other two don't count as defender infringement frees.What kind of nonsense is this?
Melbourne had at least 3 from frees - Melksham from a too high in the goal square, Salem from a HTB against Daicos, and Fritsch from a HTB + 50m.
I love selective memories.
Then neither should the three that Elliott got for HTB.Forgot Melksham, but the other two don't count as defender infringement frees.
Who has ever counted those ?
You're right.Then neither should the three that Elliott got for HTB.
Count them all or don’t, but you are plainly wrong either way.
If you win enough games, percentage is irrelevantPut us, a team with 106%, against the team with 128% in September and I’m going in confident every single time because we’ve won 6 of the last 7 against them.