Who is the better coach?

[P0RT P0WER]

You may think this is a silly question but I am interested to see your opinions on who is the better coach out of Mark Williams and John Cahill?
At the moment I'd say Jack was a better coach but in 3 or 4 years down the track I think Mark Williams will be as good as coach as Jack was. Mark's best coaching comes out when he is attack attack attack but I think his defence has improved considerably over the last few years, a lot of people suggest he can't hack the pressure when it gets tough but we did win a lot of close games this year so maybe he is getting the better of it.

 

[Portia]

I reckon they're pretty similar coaches in approach - both about player management more than strategy. Jack's gameplan worked better though.

 

[dreamkillers]

Jack has the score on the board and with the list we had at the start of our AFL campaign really did get the most out of the players at the time.

Mark's coaching has improved remarkably and I think he is more of an analyst of the game than what Jack was. I think his pedigree starting with his stint at Glenelg (didn't that surprise us all) and Essendon before being groomed under Jack was an ideal preparation for a coach.

He seems to be prepared to take more risks these days and I think learnt a lot when we played Brisbane in Brisbane early in the year by going too defensive early in the game.

The only thing I'd like to see different id giving more players opportunities earlier in the season as the last 2 years we have been carrying a lot of injuries during the finals................

Mind you had we won the first final against Collingwood how things could have been different with the rest......

Boult's summed up the season at the supporters function after the Brisbane game ......'The bloody Collingwood game.....'.......

There will be a lot of expectation for success in the next few seasons which will go hand in hand with Chocco's making or breaking..............

the cruel reality of AFL football..........

 

[mic59]

I'd have to say Jack, he could always get the best out of players and I am definite that if he had been in charge for just 4 years he would have got us a premiership. I don't know the ins and outs of everything that may have happened, his bust up with Mick Moylan, the car accident that seemed to put an indefinite hold on his career and how he took the transition from being in total control to just being one of the main players.
Certainly my immediate response to his short tenure was what a waste, here we had the most successful coach in the land, a man who even coached Collingwood in some of their darkest years to respectable ladder positions and we were replacing him.

 

[noddy]

I am surprised their are some of you who are comparing Williams to Jack Cahill at all, in my opinion Cahill record stands out along side the greats of SA if not at the top
Mark Williams has a long way to go yet to get any where near the coaching ability of Jack Cahill,

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by noddy
I am surprised their are some of you who are comparing Williams to Jack Cahill at all, in my opinion Cahill record stands out along side the greats of SA if not at the top
Mark Williams has a long way to go yet to get any where near the coaching ability of Jack Cahill,

It depends whether you're comparing Williams to Cahill at the Power or to Cahill at the Power and the Magpies (both magpies).

If you're just comparing their tenures at the AFL's newest side I'd say Williams is superior.

 

[mic59]

Originally posted by DaveW

If you're just comparing their tenures at the AFL's newest side I'd say Williams is superior.

Williams has had 4 years with a side that has found their feet and some players who have become the best in the comp. Cahill had 2 years with a new list, Francou was just a second-string at the time,no-one gave them a chance.
If there can be a comparison, it would have to be between the lowest years for each coach, 2000 and 1998. Mark Williams had a bad 2000 with injuries and got 1 win and 1 draw in the first 12 games. There is no way John Cahill would have even contemplated a year like that. 1998 was not a good year for John Cahill but there were second year blues and still a young side to contend with. That would have impacted just as badly, if not worse on Mark Williams.

P.S. Does anybody here think John Cahill's record in finals would be 1-5?

 

[Eddie Woloschek]

Originally posted by mic59


Williams has had 4 years with a side that has found their feet and some players who have become the best in the comp. Cahill had 2 years with a new list, Francou was just a second-string at the time,no-one gave them a chance.
If there can be a comparison, it would have to be between the lowest years for each coach, 2000 and 1998. Mark Williams had a bad 2000 with injuries and got 1 win and 1 draw in the first 12 games. There is no way John Cahill would have even contemplated a year like that. 1998 was not a good year for John Cahill but there were second year blues and still a young side to contend with. That would have impacted just as badly, if not worse on Mark Williams.

P.S. Does anybody here think John Cahill's record in finals would be 1-5?

 

[Eddie Woloschek]

Originally posted by mic59

Maybe Jack was past it by the time we entered the AFL. In terms of Port people demanding premierships, Choco is yet to prove he is up to it. 03 is a vital year.

 

[PAfolwr]

Originally posted by Eddie Woloschek


Maybe Jack was past it by the time we entered the AFL.

Jack is a legend.
What he did in 1997 when we were tipped not to win a single game is stuff made of legends.
We missed out on making the finals because of one kick.
Had it not been for that one kick, he would be held in even higher regard if that is possible.
How would he have gone with the list the Crows had is more to the point.

 

[portly]

I am very tentative about giving an opinion here since I don't know a lot about coaching. All I can say is that during Jack's second year I became very disenchanted with his game plan and lack of innovation. He seemed very slow to react to change. Week after week the same losing formula.

Of course nowadays, particularly in the finals, I feel a little the same!! Mark seemed to lack creativity etc when it counted, and did not seem able to rally the troops when Jack's record says that he probably could have in the same situation.

My gut feeling is that Mark will learn from the experience and do better next time, but I am reminded of a conversation with a friend. He pointed out that we lost our first interstate game, lost our first home game, lost our first pre-season game, lost our first final, etc etc etc

I would like us to win our first Grand Final first try. (And in 2003 please).

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by noddy
I am surprised their are some of you who are comparing Williams to Jack Cahill at all, in my opinion Cahill record stands out along side the greats of SA if not at the top
Mark Williams has a long way to go yet to get any where near the coaching ability of Jack Cahill,

Helloo ?????? is anyone listening.....No one in there right mind could compare coaching ability between Cahill and Mark Williams..

not for at least a decade or two...

Cahill was not only a master coach in the vein of Sheedy, but the most articulate psychologist to coach the game, his words met the needs of the simplest footballer to the most intellectual..he could inspire all that came within earshot.

taking a team of Collingwood nobodies to third in the VFL showed his ability to make men believe in themselves....

Taking Port Adelaide to 10 or so winning Grand Finals shows his genius......


Give Cahill the cattle and he could make them walk over shredded glass for him..

Cahill equals coaching genius....

PA1870

 

[noddy]

Originally posted by Port Adelaide 1870



Helloo ?????? is anyone listening.....No one in there right mind could compare coaching ability between Cahill and Mark Williams..

not for at least a decade or two...

Cahill was not only a master coach in the vein of Sheedy, but the most articulate psychologist to coach the game, his words met the needs of the simplest footballer to the most intellectual..he could inspire all that came within earshot.

taking a team of Collingwood nobodies to third in the VFL showed his ability to make men believe in themselves....

Taking Port Adelaide to 10 or so winning Grand Finals shows his genius......


Give Cahill the cattle and he could make them walk over shredded glass for him..

Cahill equals coaching genius....

PA1870

For once PA1870 you have something right for a change,

wonders will never cease,

 

[Eago77]

Cahill is possibly the best coach to come from SA. If not the best certainly in the top 3/4. He is also (arguably) therefore (without getting into a VFL v SANFL debate) one of the best 10 or so coaches of all time.

Williams has a long way to go, he has proved he is capable but if he is anywhere near as good as Cahill or Fos by the end of his coaching career we will be very happy Power supporters.

 

[dreamkillers]

I'd have Jack at no 3 in terms of best coaches from SA...........

Fos Williams
Jack Oatey
John Cahill

Chocco has a number of years ahead of him to even be able to be considered in the class of the above coaches........with the next couple of seasons probably being the most crucial in his career to date..........

 

[Eago77]

Originally posted by dreamkillers
I'd have Jack at no 3 in terms of best coaches from SA...........

Fos Williams
Jack Oatey
John Cahill

Tough call on picking the best of that three, An argument could arise as to any of them.

For me, remembering i've only really known the Cahill era and can only go on the records & heresay as to what the other two were like, i'd go:

Cahill
Williams
Oatey (call me biased)