Who should bat at no. 3 in ODI's?

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Is Peter Forrest really our answer as our number 3 batsmen for ODI's. not a great hooker/puller, and struggles a little on the pads, seems a very 6 - 10 o clock batsmen (cutter/driver)..

What ever the hell happened to Callum Ferguson? seriously, averaging mid 40's with a high 80's strike rate.. I always thought he should be our answer as our number 3, now 28 (?), should we re introduce him to the ODI set up?

What are your thoughts?
 

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Ferguson was a gun throughout his short ODI career but really seems to have lost the plot lately.

Have a feeling if we threw him into the international set up once more we wouldn't have much to lose, and it might work, but it will never happen.
 

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Ferguson was a gun throughout his short ODI career but really seems to have lost the plot lately.

Have a feeling if we threw him into the international set up once more we wouldn't have much to lose, and it might work, but it will never happen.
I just dont get why he wasnt brought back in post knee injury..

Peter Forrest was picked on the back of strong 4 - day form, for the short form game? Sersiouly!!
 

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I've always said David Hussey should be batting at three. You have Mike Hussey (when he comes back) and Clarke who are very good finishers batting in the middle order. Dave likes to play his shots and in the powerplay overs when an early wicket has fallen, an enforcer like role would put all the pressure back on the opposition. He's susceptible to the moving ball but who isn't?

You can't have two accumulators in Forrest and Bailey playing in the same side and like the poster above, Forrest should be the back up to Bailey at all times.
 
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Probably Clarke at 3 - he's our best bat.

Dave Hussey would do alright too I think.

Watson should never not open the batting.
 

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Yeah Warner/Wade to Open, watson at 3 or if watson sooks up put wade at 3. Think wade is better at setting up his innings than going the tonk at 7.
 
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Watson has been awesome opening - dont want to lose that. A few bad innings at 3 could hurt his confidence.
 

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I Still rate Marsh in limited overs.

Would also strongly consider Hughes opening with Watson at number 3.
 

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Clarke at 3 in ODI cricket would be ideal IMO. Leave him at 5 for test matches thought.
Him or Wade. But of course not in test matches. The problem is that the Aussie team swaps and changes around all the time. No-one is ever settled - apart from Clarke - in a position. I'm surprised there aren't more runouts as the way people come in and out of the team, Watson or David Hussey should be running out at least one partner per match. Each.
 
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I've said that before and got shouted down by the Clarke fanbois....

But yeah he shouldn't be "hiding" down the order, needs to front up at 3 and take responsbility IMO.
It's not about being a Clarke fanboi. It's about having the sense to see that you bat guys where they suit. Clarke has the footwork and technique to bat against spin early. Remember Doug Walters? He was like that. So was Steve Waugh. Not all players can bat in the top 3, and Clarke is one of them.

I think Wade needs to bat at #3 in our ODI side. Watson needs to open (suits his robot batting) with Warner-

Warner
Watson
Wade
Clarke

Also agree with whoever mentioned Shaun Marsh, wouldn't mind seeing him back in the picture.

Post Ponting and M. Hussey, we will need to look at:

Warner
Watson
S. Marsh
Clarke
Wade
Fergusson/Bailey
 

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klinger
warner
clarke
dussey
twatson
ferguson
faulkner / christian
wade
pattinson
mackay
cummins

could ditch the all rounder or dussey for a spinner and bump wade up.. or a spinner for cummins when hes injured, which is every second game.
ditch lee. although his batting form could see him slip up the order to 3?
ditch forrest gump
which spinner though.. never been sold on the xman.. (how the hell did he get a bullshit CA contract anyway?). dussey and mjc can bowl 4 overs of darts between them if required just as effectively as doherty.
if twat is going to bowl 10 overs, bat him in the middle.
klinger will never get picked, but he's exactly what we're crying out for at he top order.
ferguson (along with klinger) won SA the 1 day title last yr.. his 4 day form was abysmal, but his 1 day form was brilliant, including big match winning innings.
thats a deep batting line up.. could argue it's a liability with bowling, especially with the chances of twatson breaking down. depends how confident dussey is of being able to throw down his 1min over darts if required.
 

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It's not about being a Clarke fanboi. It's about having the sense to see that you bat guys where they suit. Clarke has the footwork and technique to bat against spin early. Remember Doug Walters? He was like that. So was Steve Waugh. Not all players can bat in the top 3, and Clarke is one of them.
I've gone through this painful argument before on other forums (and yeah, for most people it WAS about being a Clarke fanboi.....)

But Steve Waugh had a pretty darn good Top 4 above him for most of his career (some variations of Taylor/Slater/Boon/Hayden/M Waugh/Langer/Ponting). There was no necessity for him to move up the order...if there had been, I reckon Waugh would have done so.

Ponting moved up from 6 to 3 and became The Man as captain.

I think Clarke should too. Our problems are at the top of the order in both Tests and ODIs and IMHO it's time he stood up and accepted that role. He's our captain, probably our best batsman, and in ODIs he's our most experienced batsman, so should not need these sorts of "well he's not suited to 3 so let's protect him down the order" excuses made for him anymore.

It doesn't seem to make sense that guys still trying to find their feet at this level (Warner, Cowan, Forrest, Khawaja, etc) and an old bloke who is coming towards the end (Ponting) should be batting above a guy who's in his prime and has been in excellent form lately.
 

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klinger
warner
clarke
dussey
twatson
ferguson
faulkner / christian
wade
pattinson
mackay
cummins
Wade at 8 is ludicrous.

Calling Watson 'Twatson' doesn't help people take your post seriously.

It's 'McKay', not 'Mackay'.

No Mike Hussey? He loves the game, will play for a few more years at least.

Hmm, somebody from Adelaide putting forward Klinger, Ferguson and Christian? Can I counter with North/S. Marsh, Voges and M. Marsh? ;) I wouldn't mind seeing Fergie in there (to be fair), hope he has a big season in all forms for SA.
 

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Wade at 8 is ludicrous.
he's had 19 ODI innings @ 22. HS of 67. he's handy, but he's hardly the gun bat that everyone thinks he is. you said you want him to open with warner and bat watto at 3. how often do you think we'd make it to 15 overs without losing a wicket (or 2)? we need a solid reliable opener that has a good chance of reaching this part of the innings on a regular basis.. i don't think warner/wade can offer that. klinger was the highest run scorer, opened the batting @55 last year. SR of 82. 2x100s and 2x50s in 9 games and captained the trophy winning side. to disregard him and blame his "selection" on bias is laughable.

Calling Watson 'Twatson' doesn't help people take your post seriously.
haha sorry. i'll refer to dussey as David John Hussey in future as well, just to give my posts more credibility.

It's 'McKay', not 'Mackay'.
that's just nit picking cos you didn't like wade at 8 and me picking on the pretty boy :)

No Mike Hussey? He loves the game, will play for a few more years at least.
i love the game, too. bat me at 5! seriously though, do you think at his age he can continue to play both forms of the game? i'd rather him play 2 more years of tests if his form permits, than bumble along in a struggling ODI side. who would you put him in place of? his brother? or an allrounder (then you'd need to drop another bat).

Hmm, somebody from Adelaide putting forward Klinger, Ferguson and Christian? Can I counter with North/S. Marsh, Voges and M. Marsh? ;) I wouldn't mind seeing Fergie in there (to be fair), hope he has a big season in all forms for SA.
you can counter with anything you like! even marcus north, just to make me laugh. shaun would be ok if made runs and wasn't made of cardboard. mitchell maybe in a couple of years, but hasn't done enough yet and faulkner is ahead of him. ferguson turns the strike over in the middle overs.. he's also a great fielder. as good as smith, only ferguson can bat.

unfortunately, domestic 1 day form doesn't have much bearing on international selection. ask peter forrest gump. good on him for making a score when he was selected, but that was a bit of a pot luck selection in the national team. you could put nathan reardon in as well as someone from left field.. a far better squad back up option than "specialist fielder" steve smith. klinger not getting a look in though is ridiculous (have i mentioned that yet?). DC you can take or leave, i'd be happy to see faulkner given a go in his place if we want to play 2 allrounders.. he certainly wouldn't do any worse than mitch and his return crease pies. who would you play as a spinner @8 (with wade bumped up to 7)? doherty? beer? haha.. i'm not even going to mention the SACA ring in groundsman with the CA contract, that would show my bias!

i lay down my XI for people to comment on and throw mud at.. and my short answer to the OP is clarke. just thought i'd add the other X for some healthy debate. show us your XI. and if smith or johnson are included in your first 25 blokes picked, then you lose all cred immediately ;)
 

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that's just nit picking cos you didn't like wade at 8 and me picking on the pretty boy :)

i lay down my XI for people to comment on and throw mud at.. and my short answer to the OP is clarke. just thought i'd add the other X for some healthy debate. show us your XI. and if smith or johnson are included in your first 25 blokes picked, then you lose all cred immediately ;)
Haha, firstly apologies if I was a bit harsh, it's easy to come off as too brash online sometimes!

OK, I'll give it a shot...

1. David Warner - Picks himself for an opening spot.
2. Matthew Wade (+) - Plays best up the order IMO, I like the balance opening with the keeper brings as well.
3. Shane Watson - Has to bat top 3 in ODIs.
4. Michael Clarke (c) - Skip comes in to complete a strong top order.
5. David Hussey - Bloke is a class limited overs player.
6. Mike Hussey - Our rock at number 6.

I think this top 6 picks itself. It's the next few spots that brings the problems...

7. Rob Quiney - I want someone at 7 who can play the sloggers role at the end (shouldn't be left to Lee!) but is a good enough batsman to play a normal knock if required. Quiney had a great summer for the Vics and would be a worthy national rep at this stage. Other options include Christian and M. Marsh but I feel their bowling isn't required with Watson in the team.
8. James Faulkner - Adds real depth to the batting and should be groomed to be the Bracken style death bowler we've been lacking the last few years with his spinning variations.
9. Ryan Harris - When fit is the best ODI bowler in the country. Problem is, he is rarely fit. I want him in there but if he isn't available I'd be happy for any choice of Starc, Pattinson, Cummins, Hilfenhaus, Coulter-Nile etc. to get a guernsey here.
10. Clint McKay - McKay is a very underrated bowler and well suited to the shorter forms of the game.
11. Nathan Lyon - The best spinner available IMO and deserves a shot at the 50 over game.

A lot of players close to this team (and the attack in particular). But what I've put is the team I think would be a pretty solid Best XI if all available right now.
 
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