Who should replace Nathan Lyon?

[Ohitsthatguy]

Kuhnemann is also the only one with a central contract so it would make sense

 

[Retzlaff]

Jason Krejza

 

[Matrix10]

Gideon made an interesting comment that Kuhnemann’s “face fits” in the current team.

Reckons they will go with him and in any case will go with a player who has done test experience already.

Murphy also has Test experience. Murphy in , will grow with the team ala Lyon .

 

[Black Diamond]

Murphy also has Test experience. Murphy in , will grow with the team ala Lyon .

The fitting in part was the interesting comment.

 

[Kram]

Jason Krejza

 

[big_e]

Kuhnemann is also the only one with a central contract so it would make sense

Makes no difference to test selection.

 

[Jack Mundy]

Gideon made an interesting comment that Kuhnemann’s “face fits” in the current team.

Reckons they will go with him and in any case will go with a player who has done test experience already.

Bizarre

 

[Gethelred]

Rocchicioli's trajectory - which is how you take wickets here - coupled with his height means that he's very hard to dance to and very hard to pick whether to go front or back to. If you look at his wickets, there's a few common threads: catches at slip/keeper from a half shot not going forward or back.

Essentially, what you're getting from him is the equivalent to Josh Hazlewood as a spinner, a bowler where you're always in two minds.

I genuinely have no idea how Matt Kuhnemann takes wickets. I first saw him a few years back watching the shield on a deck doing a bit, and I thought he looked juicy; the sort of bowler who if you're careful you can just take for a gentle 2-3 runs an over without risk, and if you're in and going for 4 singles pretty comfortably. Gets reasonable dip, turns it away from the right hander but very little, gets through his overs quickly. But then, he also has the weird knack - something he shares with another left arm spinner in Noman Ali of Pakistan, who I also feel looks pretty placid - of picking up bags of wickets when you don't really think he's bowled all that well. If we go this way, we're getting a holding bowler rather than a striker akin to SA's Maharaj, with the occasional bag when he gets a run on.

Todd Murphy's a different sort of fingerspinner to most produced in Australian conditions. The other two are overspinners who can turn the ball but sacrifice big turn for dip, where Murphy is more a sidespinner who uses drift and dip at alternates to produce different effects. He's more likely to produce a jaffa than either of the other two, but he's also a tinge riskier; side spin fingerspinners get carted in Australia.

If Rocchicioli's the equivalent to Hazlewood, Murphy's the equivalent to James Anderson; someone capable of the impossible ball in the right conditions, but a bit vulnerable away from them.

I like Rocchicioli the most out of the three, but there's a case to be made for each of them.

 

[Jack Mundy]

Rocchicioli's trajectory - which is how you take wickets here - coupled with his height means that he's very hard to dance to and very hard to pick whether to go front or back to. If you look at his wickets, there's a few common threads: catches at slip/keeper from a half shot not going forward or back.

Essentially, what you're getting from him is the equivalent to Josh Hazlewood as a spinner, a bowler where you're always in two minds.

I genuinely have no idea how Matt Kuhnemann takes wickets. I first saw him a few years back watching the shield on a deck doing a bit, and I thought he looked juicy; the sort of bowler who if you're careful you can just take for a gentle 2-3 runs an over without risk, and if you're in and going for 4 singles pretty comfortably. Gets reasonable dip, turns it away from the right hander but very little, gets through his overs quickly. But then, he also has the weird knack - something he shares with another left arm spinner in Noman Ali of Pakistan, who I also feel looks pretty placid - of picking up bags of wickets when you don't really think he's bowled all that well. If we go this way, we're getting a holding bowler rather than a striker akin to SA's Maharaj, with the occasional bag when he gets a run on.

Todd Murphy's a different sort of fingerspinner to most produced in Australian conditions. The other two are overspinners who can turn the ball but sacrifice big turn for dip, where Murphy is more a sidespinner who uses drift and dip at alternates to produce different effects. He's more likely to produce a jaffa than either of the other two, but he's also a tinge riskier; side spin fingerspinners get carted in Australia.

If Rocchicioli's the equivalent to Hazlewood, Murphy's the equivalent to James Anderson; someone capable of the impossible ball in the right conditions, but a bit vulnerable away from them.

I like Rocchicioli the most out of the three, but there's a case to be made for each of them.

Nathan Lyon, Steve O'Keefe, Tim May

 

[Gethelred]

Nathan Lyon, Steve O'Keefe, Tim May

Mark Craig, Graeme Swann, Keshav Maharaj.

There is a marked difference between finger spinners that work here and those that don't, and it can essentially be represented by whether they bowl with overspin or sidespin.

Just to clarify, this isn't just me saying it. He lists more bowlers than I have.

 

[Around the Wicket]

I think they'll all get a crack and its just who makes it there own.

 

[Scorpus]

It will be Murphy it seems

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

Well there you go

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The Poms will target Murphy. Go ultra-hard at him, try to hit him out of the attack and make us cook the quicks.

They tried in 2023 but he coped well I thought, though Pat lost his nerve at times and didn't bowl him.

Will Smith be back to skipper?

 

[Westend]

Snub for me good luck to Murphy but I dont agree with it

Selectors basically telling Rocco we dont care how many poles you take in the shield

 

[Black Diamond]

I did not see that take coming.

 

[eth-dog]

My thoughts are with Westend at this hard time as he has said for years that Rocchiccioli is the second best spinner in the country and is seen as such by CA repeatedly.

Murphy vs Kuhnemann was genuinely interesting, considering the majority of the media campaigning for Rocchiccioli. Kuhnemann's poor shield form in his 2 games probably counted against him unfortunately.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

To be fair to all concerned, it's an overriding positive that we've actually got three (four if you include Swepson) viable replacements for Lyon waiting in the wings.

The days of rolling the dice on Beer, Krezja, White, Doherty et al (or praying for SOK to stay sober) thankfully well in the past.

 

[Jack Mundy]

To be fair to all concerned, it's an overriding positive that we've actually got three (four if you include Swepson) viable replacements for Lyon waiting in the wings.

The days of rolling the dice on Beer, Krezja, White, Doherty et al (or praying for SOK to stay sober) thankfully well in the past.

Australia always felt it had MacGill ready to step in when Warne retired but he broke down quick. Dan Cullen was considered a likely replacement also. Looks strong now and I hope they work out but you don't know..

 

[Gough]

Australia always felt it had MacGill ready to step in when Warne retired but he broke down quick. Dan Cullen was considered a likely replacement also. Looks strong now and I hope they work out but you don't know..

I always felt a bit sorry for both Lee and MacGill in that just when they got the chance to lead the attack their bodies let them down.

 

[swanny1234]

Blatantly spitting in the face of shield cricket picking Murphy over Roccicchioli.
Sends the message that shield performances don’t matter, we’ll pick our favourites regardless.

All a bit bazball ish really.

 

[swanny1234]

Snub for me good luck to Murphy but I dont agree with it

Selectors basically telling Rocco we dont care how many poles you take in the shield

Plays for WA, what’s new?

 

[Cleavy]

Blatantly spitting in the face of shield cricket picking Murphy over Roccicchioli.
Sends the message that shield performances don’t matter, we’ll pick our favourites regardless.

All a bit bazball ish really.

been that way for a while, but when there's no set criteria for selection then you can use whatever reasoning you want.

 

[Black Diamond]

Plays for WA, what’s new?

Explain three other West Australians in the squad?

 

[eth-dog]

Blatantly spitting in the face of shield cricket picking Murphy over Roccicchioli.
Sends the message that shield performances don’t matter, we’ll pick our favourites regardless.

All a bit bazball ish really.

You mean where Murphy has a vastly superior average and economy rate, and a very similar strike rate?

In any case, if Rocchiccioli was going to be considered, wouldn't he have played the English Lions game that Murphy did, where he took 3/64? Face it, Murphy was ahead before the season started and continues to be ahead. WA fans just convinced themselves that he'd be ahead despite there being no actual evidence of it.