List Mgmt. Who to delist next??

[Eaglemaniac]

Across 2011 and 2012 McGinnity played 40 games to Dalziell's 3.

And very little of them suggested he was worth keeping on the list imo. I know you disgree

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

And very little of them suggested he was worth keeping on the list imo. I know you disgree

How many of Dalziell's 17 games this year suggested he's worth keeping? 4 or 5?

 

[Eaglemaniac]

Dalziel is a more talented footballer than McGinnity, Most footballers are! But they play vastly different roles as well. Clearly a contract has saved McGinnity. He will play the year for the Royal Eagles unless we are smashed with injuries again.
There will be a number of players on their final chance in 2014. Simpson will look around for a year while he puts in place his new plan. Players that just try hard won't get through the loop anymore. If you can't kick you can't play. Any player without premium kicking skills will not survive under Simpson I reckon.

Thats why i was so surprised he was cut before McGinnity, contract or not. Dalziell may not have elite kicking skills but they are better than McGinnity's who doesnt seem to be able to hit a barn door, and Dal has a higher output. Neither of them are necessarily our best 22 but if i had to keep one for depth it would be Razzle.
As far as roles go, i dont see McGinnity having an actual role because he isnt very good at wherever they put him. Obviously other people disagree.

 

[Eaglemaniac]

How many of Dalziell's 17 games this year suggested he's worth keeping? 4 or 5?

I would of thought he was serviceable this year in most of his games. He contributed fairly well on the scoreboard this year with upwards of 15 or 20 goals as well. Once again, as i have said before, i would be keeping him in case our best 22 was suffering from injuries as i think he's a good depth player and you need depth to win a premiership. Once the new draftees step up enough to push him out of the next best depth he goes. I would of given him one more year and cut McGinnity.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

How many of Dalziell's 17 games this year suggested he's worth keeping? 4 or 5?

I don't think it is such an issue that Dalziel has been cut. He is not that good as you have pointed out. Peoples opinion on whether he is better than McGinnity. Clearly as already stated a contract has saved him.

 

[Eaglemaniac]

I don't think it is such an issue that Dalziel has been cut. He is not that good as you have pointed out. Peoples opinion on whether he is better than McGinnity. Clearly as already stated a contract has saved him.

I know, i just think that with the retirees we had it shouldnt make any difference. I'd rather have a better player on the list over a lesser player contract or not.

 

[Goldfish]

They've only just retired, and some of that was on the back of injury and a change in coach so i dont think they would have used any of that money yet. I'd be surprised if we offered big money deals to anyone presently.

I agree it's moving goalposts, but it was always going to be the last season for Selwood and Embley imo. Regardless, I'm pretty sure they would be using any salary cap space to frontload current contracts for our higher paid players, allowing us to have a decent crack at someone through free agency etc in the future. If we're not, we should be.

Anyway, this is completely off topic, but the club puts itself in a better position by not delisting contracted players. Eg if we give NicNat a new contract this year, we can front-load it so he gets a significant portion of it in 2014, freeing up space in 2015-2016.

Who to delist next? Would have though Newman, but appears he got through.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I would of thought he was serviceable this year in most of his games. He contributed fairly well on the scoreboard this year with upwards of 15 or 20 goals as well. Once again, as i have said before, i would be keeping him in case our best 22 was suffering from injuries as i think he's a good depth player and you need depth to win a premiership. Once the new draftees step up enough to push him out of the next best depth he goes. I would of given him one more year and cut McGinnity.

I thought McGinnity has been serviceable in most of his games, albeit this year was poor apart from one or two games. I think he's a useful depth player, perhaps moreso than Dalziell as he has the ability to go forward, back or in the middle and do a shut-down job. He also kicked 11 goals last year, a few less than Dalziell's output this year but he spent a lot more time in the back half.

Additionally Dalziell probably would have been cut this time last year if it weren't for Stevens' trade and Swift's surprise retirement decimating our midfield depth. Given his performances to that point, if he had been axed no-one would have batted an eyelid.

I don't think it is such an issue that Dalziel has been cut. He is not that good as you have pointed out. Peoples opinion on whether he is better than McGinnity. Clearly as already stated a contract has saved him.

That's pretty much the nub of it. They're both limited players who are basically depth only. One will go this year and the other will probably go at the end of next year, and the fact McGinnity had a contract for 2014 probably led to that decision going in his favour as much as anything else.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I know, i just think that with the retirees we had it shouldnt make any difference. I'd rather have a better player on the list over a lesser player contract or not.

Mate I am with you, McGinnity is a very average footballer. I cannot believe he made an AFL list even. Once delisted he will struggle to play League footy at Second tier level.
But like you said others think different and thats ok.

 

[salo]

He had a contract, his season was stuffed before it began due to a back injury, and his previous three seasons were better than Dalziell's.

nil-all draw.

i keep on saying it: mcginnity would not a game with any other team in the league.

he's surely gone once his contract is up.

 

[Keys]

How can we be over the salary cap or near it for next year when we've just lost Kerr, Embley & Selwood? All of which would be on the higher salaries in the club?

If we delisted mcginnity now and paid him out, the payout would be included in this years cap so would quite likely put us over. That's one reason why he's still on our list. Contracted players very rarely get delisted

 

[Eaglemaniac]

If we delisted mcginnity now and paid him out, the payout would be included in this years cap so would quite likely put us over. That's one reason why he's still on our list. Contracted players very rarely get delisted

Thanks Keyz. That seems strange though if you're getting rid of someone and paying them out for the next year of a contract. You would think that would count for the year the contract was for, not the one they just completed.

 

[Eaglemaniac]

I thought McGinnity has been serviceable in most of his games, albeit this year was poor apart from one or two games. I think he's a useful depth player, perhaps moreso than Dalziell as he has the ability to go forward, back or in the middle and do a shut-down job. He also kicked 11 goals last year, a few less than Dalziell's output this year but he spent a lot more time in the back half.

See this is where i disagree with most people when they bring out this line. I think he's a terrible shut down player. Every time i have watched him do a shut down job, his opponent seems to get more of the ball than ever before, while he gets very few posessions himself, and when he does get it he usually doesnt do anything with them. He had a couple of ok games in the finals last year in which i will admit he played well, but he's been very underwhelming since he debuted for us and i cant see his upside. He's too fumbly in the middle of the ground and cant seem to hit a target when in a mile of space. I also dont think he gets enough of it for his body size and apparent speed to get to a contest. Anyway, now we're going round in circles again and it doesnt matter, the cut has been made.

 

[Belltower]

See this is where i disagree with most people when they bring out this line. I think he's a terrible shut down player. Every time i have watched him do a shut down job, his opponent seems to get more of the ball than ever before, while he gets very few posessions himself, and when he does get it he usually doesnt do anything with them. He had a couple of ok games in the finals last year in which i will admit he played well, but he's been very underwhelming since he debuted for us and i cant see his upside. He's too fumbly in the middle of the ground and cant seem to hit a target when in a mile of space. I also dont think he gets enough of it for his body size and apparent speed to get to a contest. Anyway, now we're going round in circles again and it doesnt matter, the cut has been made.

You are right plays everywhere and is no good at any of the positions, what about the dropped marks, he can't even take the easiest of marks

 

[Monkey Worshipper]

Dalziell is gone. Dead wood, sure he may have tried but he offers us nothing going forward. Better to get games into someone else who could possibly have a future. And when they don't we cut them and move onto the next kid.

Now we just need to cut the biggest deadwood on our list, Ploddus.

Ploddus is the gift that keeps on giving. Turnover after turnover after helicopter kick. Rinse and repeat.

 

[wooshwhisperer]

Now we just need to cut the biggest deadwood on our list, Ploddus.

Ploddus is the gift that keeps on giving. Turnover after turnover after helicopter kick. Rinse and repeat.

Seriously Monkey boy... you are a knob!!

Maybe you could get an infinite number of monkey boy mates and an infinite number of typewriters... THEN maybe you could write an intelligent post in 2014.

 

[Keys]

Rinse and repeat.

Sums up your posting style

 

[LordHaart]

So, is the list lodged then? Does that mean we only have 3 picks in the ND?

 

[swannies]

So, is the list lodged then? Does that mean we only have 3 picks in the ND?

That's the first list lodgement, but it looks like they've decided to take the 3 only. That's what Vozzo was discussing on the video on the Eagles web page, how many to take?
I believe there are further list lodgements up until before the draft so maybe there could be something late in the pipe?

 

[bassmanx]

Friday 1 November - AFL delisted player free agency period (1) begins.

Wednesday 13 November - AFL delisted player free agency period (1) closes; out-of-contract listed AFL primary list players draft nomination form and player Request for Removal from list form lodged with AFL; new or expired (after 3 years) draft nomination form lodgement; nomination of Activation of Compensatory selections held by Clubs as determined in 2012 only under the Greater Western Sydney list establishment rules.

Thursday 14 November by 2pm - list lodgement (2).

More to come on November 14 I'd guess.

 

[BOND 007]

See this is where i disagree with most people when they bring out this line. I think he's a terrible shut down player. Every time i have watched him do a shut down job, his opponent seems to get more of the ball than ever before, while he gets very few posessions himself, and when he does get it he usually doesnt do anything with them. He had a couple of ok games in the finals last year in which i will admit he played well, but he's been very underwhelming since he debuted for us and i cant see his upside. He's too fumbly in the middle of the ground and cant seem to hit a target when in a mile of space. I also dont think he gets enough of it for his body size and apparent speed to get to a contest. Anyway, now we're going round in circles again and it doesnt matter, the cut has been made.

Eaglemaniac - under Worsfold the plan was for young Selwood to become a more offensive midfielder thereby creating a space for a pure lockdown player within the squad/team - McGinnity. Unfortunately for Dalziell - the combination of being a freewheeling wingman (with limited skills) and being OOC proved fatal.

Likely Simpson will have a different midfield strategy for Scott which may influence whether McGinnity gets considered. No doubt however, that under Simpson's penchant for quality ball use, McGinnity will be under the pump.

 

[ndot]

the real question is why does mcginnity even have a contract for next year. the fact that we've been handing spuds like him multi-year contract extensions defies belief.

our list management in the past few years has been abysmal. getting rid of dalziell is a start, but we still have at least half a dozen garbage midfielders on our list that need to be moved on.

probably a simplistic view but we need to start drafting talent and turning them into athletes, rather than drafting athletes and trying to teach them to have talent.

 

[ziad]

probably a simplistic view but we need to start drafting talent and turning them into athletes, rather than drafting athletes and trying to teach them to have talent.

silk purse and sows ears unfortunatly.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

If Simpson learnt anything under Clarkson then I hope it is the "If you can't kick, you can'y play mentality"

Clarkson after all was the one person who got the AFL to change the draftee camps and get them to focus more on their kick, mark and Handball skills over who can jump the highest and who can run the fastest.

We will wait and see.

 

[mick06]

Now we just need to cut the biggest deadwood on our list, Ploddus.

Ploddus is the gift that keeps on giving. Turnover after turnover after helicopter kick. Rinse and repeat.

I watched the West Coast Essendon replay from last year at Etihad last night and he was hitting targets with hit up 30m kicks and played very well. My opinion on Priddis is bias though, i always stick up for him because played with him through juniors and want him to stick around and do well.