Moved Thread Who was/is the better player. Gary Ablett jnr or Dustin Martin?

[Falcon3518]

Our first 13 finals matches yielded a record of 3-10
Our last 21 have yielded a record of 7-14

In between times over the space of 82 years we went at bang on 50 per cent.

I don’t think your statement holds the sort of gravitas you think it does.

I’m also not certain that things like a second half meltdown in a final in 2019 has the sort of relativity to a game on 1926 that you think it does.

Idk man seems like a bit of a pattern imo. When you compare legends of the game from all clubs, your best players tend to be a little dry on finals success compared to others whilst almost always being the best in H&A.

 

[PhatBoy]

Idk man seems like a bit of a pattern imo. When you compare legends of the game from all clubs, your best players tend to be a little dry on finals success compared to others whilst almost always being the best in H&A.

Our three greatest players ever are Gary Ablett Jr who has 2 flags from 3 grand finals, Graham Farmer who has 1 from 6 seasons at the club, and Gary Sr who has 0.

Arguably our next 5 best players are Doug Wade who has 1 premiership, Bill Goggin who has 1, Garry Hocking with 0 and Joel Selwood and Corey Enright who have 3 each.

 

[Falcon3518]

It should. Just scroll to the top and click the circle next to Ablett and then the 'cast vote' button.

Cheers man , I actually had to go to ‘web view’, because the app on the phone didn’t show the button nor the actual poll. Didn’t even know who was winning


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[STPer18]

Cheers man , I actually had to go to ‘web view’, because the app on the phone didn’t show the button nor the actual poll. Didn’t even know who was winning


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You voted Ablett though right?

 

[Falcon3518]

Our three greatest players ever are Gary Ablett Jr who has 2 flags from 3 grand finals, Graham Farmer who has 1 from 6 seasons at the club, and Gary Sr who has 0.

Arguably our next 5 best players are Doug Wade who has 1 premiership, Bill Goggin who has 1, Garry Hocking with 0 and Joel Selwood and Corey Enright who have 3 each.

Yeah see we have people like Bartlett with 5, Bourke with 5, Dyer with 2, Hafey with 4 and Hart with 4. All of which are immortals. Then you have the modern ones with 3. Poor Richo is left out though. Pies, Hawks, Blues and Bombers should have similar numbers to us I would’ve thought despite being worse than you in H&A I’m pretty sure.

 

[Falcon3518]

You voted Ablett though right?

Yeah, in my 120 fake accounts to give you guys a headstart before the inevitable avalanche comes haha. I’ll ring up the 100k Richmond members tonight

 

[PhatBoy]

Yeah see we have people like Bartlett with 5, Bourke with 5, Dyer with 2, Hafey with 4 and Hart with 4. All of which are immortals. Then you have the modern ones with 3. Poor Richo is left out though. Pies, Hawks, Blues and Bombers should have similar numbers to us I would’ve thought despite being worse than you in H&A I’m pretty sure.

The tigers and hawks both have had runs of success that saw them win 5+ flags in a short period of time.

Making out like that is the norm when it isn’t, skews your argument again.

Geelong have won 9 flags in 125 years. For almost all of that period, there has been a minimum of Collingwood, Carlton, Richmond, Essendon, North, Footscray, Fitzroy, South Melbourne/Sydney, St Kilda, Melbourne, Hawthorn, briefly University in the competition and for the last 30 years that number has grown to include Brisbane, West Coast, Fremantle, Adelaide and Port Adelaide, and in the last 13 seasons GWS and Gold Coast.

Mathematically we should be averaging a flag roughly every 13-14 years. Which is exactly what we’ve achieved. We are no better, and no worse, than what the norm should statistically be. As such our best players should be a reasonably large cross section of players who have been there in our most successful eras (I haven’t mentioned anyone from our back to back flags) and a few who were there when we won nothing.

Having an era where you won a whole heap of flags across one generation is something for a club to be proud of however it is not the norm, it is the exception.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Nope it's one of those ones where if you keep repeating it it must be true.

Dangers 2017 was better than Dusty's. The stats show that.

Ablett's best 4 seasons are better than both.

Ablett Snr's best season is a level above again.

I agree with the last 2 sentences

 

[Corkintheocean]

Must be a while since Geelong have won anything.

Absolute knickers in a knot ITT.

 

[PhatBoy]

Must be a while since Geelong have won anything.

Absolute knickers in a knot ITT.

Because a tigers fan started a thread comparing one current and one retired player and, consequently it’s been debated?

 

[Falcon3518]

The tigers and hawks both have had runs of success that saw them win 5+ flags in a short period of time.

Making out like that is the norm when it isn’t, skews your argument again.

Geelong have won 9 flags in 125 years. For almost all of that period, there has been a minimum of Collingwood, Carlton, Richmond, Essendon, North, Footscray, Fitzroy, South Melbourne/Sydney, St Kilda, Melbourne, Hawthorn, briefly University in the competition and for the last 30 years that number has grown to include Brisbane, West Coast, Fremantle, Adelaide and Port Adelaide, and in the last 13 seasons GWS and Gold Coast.

Mathematically we should be averaging a flag roughly every 13-14 years. Which is exactly what we’ve achieved. We are no better, and no worse, than what the norm should statistically be. As such our best players should be a reasonably large cross section of players who have been there in our most successful eras (I haven’t mentioned anyone from our back to back flags) and a few who were there when we won nothing.

Having an era where you won a whole heap of flags across one generation is something for a club to be proud of however it is not the norm, it is the exception.

Yeah fair enough


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[Aristotle Pickett]

Why would a mod move a thread with 340 replies to somewhere where no one sees it?

 

[Wojcinski]

Why would a mod move a thread with 340 replies to somewhere where no one sees it?

Poll has gone as expected and you've got your answer anyway

 

[juss]

Over their whole careers including home and aways, then GAJ.
Finals only, Dusty.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I've heard some commentators call Martin the best ever recently

 

[biggiemediums]

Yes because no other players would take that sort of money. Heaps of them have been offered similar amounts. Heaps of players. Dozens. And all of them have knocked it back.

It's funny when people aren't in that position criticize someone for taking a huge cheque offered to them for doing nothing immoral or illegal.

Loyalty to a football club who would delist you if you were s**t? Or lifelong comfort and payoff for the hours and hours of sweat and tears you've gone through?

I love Collingwood, but if I was a star player and got offered that money to get tanned, play footy and set my family up for life. I'd be on the first flight out.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Did Gary ever win a Norm Smith? This poll is a joke.

 

[STPer18]

Did Gary ever win a Norm Smith? This poll is a joke.

Jason Johannisen > Alex Rance

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Jason Johannisen > Alex Rance

The poll is way out of whack. Anyone that wins 3xNorm Smiths is one of the greatest of all time. It's only because he's still playing that people don't recognize that.
Ablett is better than Voss and Judd but Martin wins you big finals time after time.

 

[STPer18]

Anyone that wins 3xNorm Smiths is one of the greatest of all time.

And Ablett is arguably the greatest of all time. It's not a slight on Martin or any player to be ranked a level below G Ablett Jr.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

And Ablett is arguably the greatest of all time. It's not a slight on Martin or any player to be ranked a level below G Ablett Jr.

Ablett snr , Carey, Mathews and Lockett are all better than Ablett jnr.

 

[STPer18]

Ablett snr , Carey, Mathews and Lockett are all better than Ablett jnr.

And all five are better than Martin.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

And all five are better than Martin.

Not according to some experts

 

[PhatBoy]

The poll is way out of whack. Anyone that wins 3xNorm Smiths is one of the greatest of all time. It's only because he's still playing that people don't recognize that.
Ablett is better than Voss and Judd but Martin wins you big finals time after time.

No it’s not.

 

[PhatBoy]

Ablett snr , Carey, Mathews and Lockett are all better than Ablett jnr.

He must be so ashamed at that, being ranked above only 12,000 or so players