Who was the toughest or the dirtiest player you have seen.

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Toughest - Paul Kelly, Buddha Hocking, Dermott Brereton, Rick Kennedy, Glenn Archer, Ron Andrews, Bruce Doull
Dirtiest - Libba, Peter Worsfold, Leigh Matthews, Wayne Carey, Greg Williams
 
Agent 86

For what reason would you say that Wayne Carey was a dirty player? He is definitely one of the toughest, but noway dirty. If you base 'being dirty' as getting reported the most number of times, then Glenn Archer who is no doubt one of the toughest going around is also probably the Roos dirtiest.

Like all the good forwards in our game ie: Locketts, Dunstalls, Abletts, Lloyds, Hirds, & the Careys - the amount of crap that they put up with week in week out from the illegal tactics from backmen from all teams (must admit Carlton & the Doggies are the best) is a plight on our game.
 
Just the way I see things, don't take it personally
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Every player who runs out onto a footy field anywhere has a level of toughness about them (maybe with the exception of Paul Hudson), and I dips me lid to anyone that has played at any level. Except for the $#*& that king hit me in the 97 GF...... he knows who he is! Great player and all that he is, I just see Carey as a filthy mongrel and nothings going to change that...... love to have him playing for my mob though
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The toughest guy in afl i remember was Martin Leslie from Bribane (Bears).He stood toe to toe with dermie and sat him on his butt in a Vic, SA Game at football pk.
Then if my memory serves me right, dermie left the ground to be patched up..!!!!!!!
 
Stewie Gull of the Swans would rate as one of the toughest i saw when he flattened Ronnie Andrews at the lake oval back in in the late seventies.

Toughest is a hard call, for sheer G&D of the players in the game today, Kelly is the standout by a mile. No ones really dirty anymore, the games to closely monitered now.

All time toughtest is easy, Matthews, copped more than anyone ive ever seen. Yea he gave it back too, but still not to the extent he was given it.

Dirtiest. Tie between Rhys-Jones and Ditterich.
 

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Toughest: Francis Bourke, Don Scott, Les Parish, Paul Kelly, Glen Archer, Mighty Mick, Gary Ayres, Gary Ablett, Woosha Worsfold.

Dirtiest: Mad Dog Muir, Big Carl, Lethal Leigh, Dermie, Rhys, Rotten Ronnie, Balmey ('73GF) and half the rest of the cast of "The Sensational Seventies"!
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How do you define tough? For me. it is unflinching bravery in the face of danger.

A recent thread had a listing of great Father/Son combinations. If it was called the toughest father / son combinations then that would be easily won by St Francis / David Bourke.

Duncan and Andrew Kellaway also rate highly in this regard; easily the toughest set of brothers going around. Could you imagine kick to kick in the Kellaway back yard?

Players from other clubs I admire are Paul Kelly, Glen Archer and Damien Hardwick.

Mad, the lot of them!

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Toughest - Paul Kelly, Glen Archer and off the field Adam Simpson after that horrific injury. I think it was him anyway...

Dirtiest - Libba. I havn't been around for long so I'm not too sure.
 
Agent 86

How can you call worsfold a dirty player.

He perfected the bump,no player in the last ten years has brought it down to such a fine art.

He was able to do it time and time again without a doubt in the umpires mind as to wether it was legal or not.

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Toughest
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iry harry (callaghan),Mick Maryten and moorcroft

Dirtiest:
Um Libba of cource,Macintosh and Phil Read
 
If you define tough as the player who cops the most and just keeps on going then I vote for John Platten.

If you define it as on field bravery then I cant split Kelly and Archer.

Dirtiest - I looked it up in my dictionary, it gave me just two words. David Granger. No-one else comes close. Those non SA people in here will not understand but any SA'ns here know that he will never be beaten in that race. Time & time again, on coaches orders apparently, he would shirt front, king hit, job, trip & elbow whoever was not on his team. He was the master.
 
Toughest: Wayne Johnston, Jimmy Buckley, Fraser Brown, Paul Kelly, Dermott Brereton, Scott Turner, Barry Hall.

Dirtiest: Libber, Jose, Robbie Muir, Craig Kelly.

You see Bombergal, there is a difference between tough and dirty. Scragging in a game or push outs are fairly easy to spot if the umpires are doing their job properly. They interfere with the laws of the game and usually don't injure the opposing player. But pinching, biting, scratching, gouging and kidney punching the opposition is a little more personal. This lets Silvagni and Brown off the hook. Dog attacked the ball hard and gave away his fair share of free kicks but you couldn't say he went out of his way to take people out. As our greatest rivals I could nominate a few Essendon players but it would merely be a vendetta rather than anything factual. Keep watching the game. Maybe one day, you'll be able to tell the difference!

Two more things: 1) Wasn't Fraser Brown the player who tackled the hard done by Dean Wallis in the '99 prelim? What a coincidence!
2) You have an Anti-Carlton homepage so you have proven your opinions do not contain any serious merit. Part of the Esserdon (sic) bandwagon jumpers referred to elsewhere in this forum perhaps?

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Libba and Jose would have to get the quinella for the dirtiest players in AFL.

But as Port Adelaide 1870 points out, Grave Danger was legendary for outright nastiness in the SANFL.

Granger was one of the classiest players I've ever seen. He had an amazing knack for taking sky-scraping marks on the top of the shoulders of his opponents, making sure of course that he gave his opponent a good kick in the head while he was up there. And of course, as long as you hold the mark, it's perfectly legal to do so. What an athlete!!!

The day that he came straight off the bench and decked Cornes was one of the all-time Great Moments in Sport. He saved his most brutal savagery for matches against Glenelg. I think Twiggy Caldwell got knocked unconscious in a finals match against Port. My memory is a bit vague, but it might have even been the same match that Cornes got decked in. I'm not sure.

But, yeah. Dave Granger (Grave Danger) was a CLASS act. I think he might have played for St.Kilda at one stage ... it figures!!!

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Tough: Leigh Matthews
Dirty: Ditter, geez I loved him!

Re Robbie Muir: I think he would be remembered for his toughness rather than his dirtiness if he'd only learnt to ignore all those rotten racist bastards who kept calling him a black %@&$.
As for those unenlightened swine who indulged in racial taunting, I wonder how many feel guilt & embarrassment now when they look back on their previous activities.
 

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