Banter Who will be better in 2025? Carlton or Collingwood Part 5

[Wosh]

Who do you see finishing higher in 2025

Who is positioned better from a list/team perspective?

Let the games begin…

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Part One is here

Banter - Who will be better in 2024? Carlton or Collingwood?

Mainly here so we can enjoy the LOLs afterwards at the end of 2023, but also an interesting discussion point. I’m in genuine two minds and can’t call it, but who do you see finishing higher in 2023? Who is positioned better from a list/team perspective? Let the games begin… Mod Note: This is...

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Banter - Who will be better in 2024? Carlton or Collingwood? Part 2

Mainly here so we can enjoy the LOLs afterwards at the end of 2023, but also an interesting discussion point. I’m in genuine two minds and can’t call it, but who do you see finishing higher in 2023? Who is positioned better from a list/team perspective? Let the games begin… Mod Note: This is...

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Part 3 is here

Banter - Who will be better in 2025, Carlton or Collingwood? Part 3

Mainly here so we can enjoy the LOLs afterwards at the end of 2024, but also an interesting discussion point. Who do you see finishing higher in 2024? Who is positioned better from a list/team perspective? Let the games begin… Mod Note: This is a thread for BANTER and giving and taking a bit...

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Part 4 is here

Banter - Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

Who do you see finishing higher in 2025 Who is positioned better from a list/team perspective? Let the games begin… Mod Note: This is a thread for BANTER and giving and taking a bit of the mickey. Enter at your own risk! However this does NOT mean name calling, personal abuse, injury...

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[Worm4]

It is really a chicken and egg situation, and I'm sure if Carlton were a better team, Cripps would have had far more opportunities to be a matchwinner, and in far bigger games.

But the reality of the situation is that he hasn't had that opportunity, and we can't change the vernacular to appease the desperate Carlton supporters who want validation of their superstar player by using the term 'matchwinner' when it is far from appropriate for him.

Superstar
Champion
Contested Beast
Great Leader
Ripping Bloke

Sure, use all of the above terms.

But 'matchwinner' he's not. Particularly when compared to the other great 'matchwinners' currently in the system, let alone from yesteryear.

Jesse Hogan - cmon bud. That's an error, surely you jest

 

[Fadge]

You remind me of a red-cordial riddled ADHD kid, just skipping between points you think you're making but actually make no sense and are just based on your feelings.

Sounds like you need to attend the same remedial English classes many of the Carlton folk need to attend.

Finished your top 30 combined Pies/Blues team yet?

 

[doppleganger]

Right... So a player wins a sports match for his or her team... Anything about what time of the game they needed to do so or how much/little they had to win by to fall under that definition?

Hence why it's an ambiguous term.

It really isn't.

It is associated with end of game scenarios, clutch time, which is always to do with an even game that goes down to the wire. As then someone steps up and influences the result.

Pies v Blues, scores level with 1min left. The game needed someone to step up and won it for their team. Up steps Daicos to burn off Walsh and kick the match winning goal. Not only that, from the following bounce and stoppage he then beat Crisp to a contested ball to win a free and ensure the Pies had clean ball to run the clock down.

N.Daicos was the match winner.

It is why you can be BOG in a losing team, but you can't be a match winner if your team doesn't win.

And also why nobody references a soccer player kicking a goal in injury time when their team was already winning 4-0 as a match winner when they slot goal number 5 it didn't matter, the game was done.

I also notice you left out the part about stats... Coincidence?

??
How many stats you have in quarter 1 or 2 is irrelevant to being a match winner.

You continue to talk about being BOG.

A player being BOG in a game, doesn't mean they were also the match winner.

Or you just don't have a reasonable explanation as to why you and peanuts like Fudgey choose to ignore factual information when it goes against your views?

Need to understand when to use stats.

You thinking posting Cripps stats of getting 40 touches in a 10+ goal belting of a wooden spoon team somehow means he was a match winner doesn't help any argument.

As Fadge has repeatedly requested, list the games where Cripps has had big last quarters, kicked a late goal, gave goal assist, won clearances that was enough to get Carlton a win by a kick in a big game.

Sam Walsh is the bloke who has done that for Carlton

 

[Fadge]

As Fadge has repeatedly requested, list the games where Cripps has had big last quarters, kicked a late goal, gave goal assist, won clearances that was enough to get Carlton a win by a kick in a big game.

Any references to big games and they run a mile.

I wonder why that is?

 

[Worm4]

Sounds like you need to attend the same remedial English classes many of the Carlton folk need to attend.

Finished your top 30 combined Pies/Blues team yet?

Seems like you better go to Specsavers fadge. Your eyes tests are playing mind tricks with you.
Jesse Hogan lololololol

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

These two peanuts really are lost causes. Could present them a 10 page in depth response outlining every possession from each game and they'd turn around and tell ya that it didn't count because it was a full moon that night.

Absolute spanners.

 

[Fadge]

Seems like you better go to Specsavers fadge. Your eyes tests are playing mind tricks with you.
Jesse Hogan lololololol

It was a low bar.

The list was of those for whom 'matchwinner' is a more appropriate term than for Paddy Cripps.

 

[Fadge]

These two peanuts really are lost causes. Could present them a 10 page in depth response outlining every possession from each game and they'd turn around and tell ya that it didn't count because it was a full moon that night.

Absolute spanners.

Stop deflecting.

Biggest 3 games for which Cripps was a matchwinner?

Why do you keep avoiding that question?

 

[Worm4]

It was a low bar.

The list was of those for whom 'matchwinner' is a more appropriate term than for Paddy Cripps.

So let me get this straight
Jesse Hogan , a player who has accumulated 42 brownlow votes in his entire history ( note Cripps got 45 last year alone ) , is seen by you to be more of a match winner than Paddy Cripps .
Your eyes are 100% painted on

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Stop deflecting.

Biggest 3 games for which Cripps was a matchwinner?

Why do you keep avoiding that question?

Already gave you a list of 20 Fudger. You can decide which from that list we're his best I'm sure.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

So let me get this straight
Jesse Hogan , a player who has accumulated 42 brownlow votes in his entire history ( note Cripps got 45 last year alone ) , is seen by you to be more of a match winner than Paddy Cripps .
Your eyes are 100% painted on

Absolute nuffies

 

[JustaBattler]

Absolute nuffies

worse actually - unsportsmanlike sore LOSERS

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

worse actually - unsportsmanlike sore LOSERS

They'll say anything to deflect from the Pies list being cooked and Nicky not being fit to tie the 2 time Brownlow Medallists shoelaces.

Embarrassing carry on from them both.

 

[Fadge]

They'll say anything to deflect from the Pies list being cooked and Nicky not being fit to tie the 2 time Brownlow Medallists shoelaces.

Embarrassing carry on from them both.

Carlton flogs talking about 'Cooking'.

Oh, the irony.

So, what were you Cooking more than a decade ago?

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Carlton flogs talking about 'Cooking'.

Oh, the irony.

So, what were you Cooking more than a decade ago?

Imagine throwing shade at Jesse Hogan

41 goals from his last ten games in GWS's top 4 run including 8 in two finals, best FF in the comp right now [emoji106]

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[WalshistheGOAT]

Carlton flogs talking about 'Cooking'.

Oh, the irony.

So, what were you Cooking more than a decade ago?

Keep deflecting. Cooked Pies!

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Imagine throwing shade at Jesse Hogan

41 goals from his last ten games in GWS's top 4 run including 8 in two finals, best FF in the comp right now [emoji106]

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Imagine throwing shade at a 2x Brownlow Medallist

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Imagine throwing shade at a 2x Brownlow Medallist [emoji23]

We're not, he's a good plodder, tries hard... just not a "match-winner" [emoji107]

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[WalshistheGOAT]

We're not, he's a good plodder, tries hard... just not a "match-winner" [emoji107]

On SM-A225F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Worm4]

Imagine throwing shade at Jesse Hogan

41 goals from his last ten games in GWS's top 4 run including 8 in two finals, best FF in the comp right now [emoji106]

On SM-A225F using BigFooty.com mobile app

Flash in the pan stuff. Been in the system 10 years, 3 clubs. He hasn't been picked up by other clubs because he is a match winner thats for sure.
cripps is the best midfielder in the game currently if you are going to bring up stats.from 2024

 

[Worm4]

Keep deflecting. Cooked Pies!

Big difference to "cooking" as opposed to "cooked"
Maybe fudge needs an English refresher course.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Big difference to "cooking" as opposed to "cooked"
Maybe fudge needs an English refresher course.

Remedial English lessons I believe he calls them!

 

[Fadge]

Oh no.

I've done some analysis, and I now realise why the Carlton folk have spent the past two days baulking at my question around the biggest games in which their superstar Paddy Cripps has been a matchwinner...

The table below represents the 10 games in the past 7 seasons, for which Paddy Cripps performed as a genuine 'matchwinner' (in the logical sense of the term) - rankings were determined by difficulty of opposition, venue and then crowd:



The biggest game, which happened to be Cripps' worst performance of the Catalogue, was a win against 2nd placed Port Adelaide in Adelaide, beating a top 4 team and asserting their premiership credentials for the 2024 season.

The second biggest game Cripps put in a matchwinning performance was an away game against GWS in 2023 - defeating a highly ranked team away from hope was a performance that suggested to everyone that this Carlton team had arrived. Unfortunately, it was played in front of a measly crowd of under 10,000 people.

The other game on the podium was the 2022 season opener against Richmond, played in front of 72,000 people - a massive game that pitted two teams against one another that had won 3 of the previous 5 premierships between them...

 

[Fadge]

Conversely, the table below represents the rankings of the games in which Nick Daicos has produced matchwinning performances in his three year career to date:



The first game goes without mention - we all remember the brilliance that led to the De Goey goal, and the composure in the dying seconds to hit up Hoskin-Elliott on the wing to secure the premiership. Collingwood's second best player on the day in an epic performance in his second game after returning from a broken leg!

The next biggest game on the calendar is ANZAC Day - and who can forget his performance in front of 95,000 people after coming from nearly 5 goals down at the 3/4 time break?

The next four games could really be listed in any order - massive games against quality opposition, including three games against the reigning premiers from the prior season, but I had to put the Round 8 2024 performance against Carlton in front of 88,000 people on the podium.

It is a very impressive Catalogue indeed when you look at it, particularly for a player who is about to enter only his 4th season at the level.