Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

[Fadge]

Some peanut Pies fans said Cripps isn't a matchwinner.

The comment was that 'matchwinner' isn't an appropriate term for a player like Cripps, who has a 37% win rate (PC37) across his career, and there are many other players in the competition who have more frequently been more influential in bigger games across their careers.

I mean, there have been about 8 posts late last night about a round 19 game in 2019 - 16th placed Carlton against 8th placed Adelaide, in front of 38K people at the MCG - where Cripps was apparently wearing a Superman Cape.

What are the important, memorable games in which Cripps has been a matchwinner, that we'll be talking about in 10 years, in the same way we'll be reminiscing about Daicos' many matchwinning feats?

 

[Fadge]

Right now, Cripps is numero uno in regards to being the best player in the comp. Nick may very well pass him ( he may not also ) but the argument is for the NOW.
It's like saying Collingwood were the best in 2023 coz they won the flag - hard to argue against that.
Cripps is the reigning dual brownlow medalist - why or how can this be up for discussion ? Keep your delusions under control pie posters

In your (biased) opinion.

We've learnt over the last couple of days that Cripps has had fewer games as a matchwinner in the prime seven years of his career, than Daicos has had in the first three years of his career.

Cropps plays one role, and is brilliant at it, whilst Daicos can play in a multitude of positions - inside mid, outside mid, half back, forward of centre - depending on Collingwood's needs at any point in time, and is magnificent at all of them.

Cripps isn't in the same stratosphere as Daicos.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

In your (biased) opinion.

We've learnt over the last couple of days that Cripps has had fewer games as a matchwinner in the prime seven years of his career, than Daicos has had in the first three years of his career.

Cropps plays one role, and is brilliant at it, whilst Daicos can play in a multitude of positions - inside mid, outside mid, half back, forward of centre - depending on Collingwood's needs at any point in time, and is magnificent at all of them.

Cripps isn't in the same stratosphere as Daicos.

It's a ludicrous proposition, that there could be someone better than Daics, especially oafish plodder PC37 lol

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[JustaBattler]

Match Winner has now replaced the dead 'contender' as a meme for Fudgee and his fellow nuffies from Collingwood are all IN!

choo choo on the nuffie train!

 

[Cyclops]

Right now, Cripps is numero uno in regards to being the best player in the comp. Nick may very well pass him ( he may not also ) but the argument is for the NOW.
It's like saying Collingwood were the best in 2023 coz they won the flag - hard to argue against that.
Cripps is the reigning dual brownlow medalist - why or how can this be up for discussion ? Keep your delusions under control pie posters

I rate Cripps highly but Brownlows aren't an accurate guide.

And right now, Ed Allan is training the house down, so I'd argue he's the best player...until proven otherwise.

 

[Fadge]

Match Winner has now replaced the dead 'contender' as a meme for Fudgee and his fellow nuffies from Collingwood are all IN!

Yep.

Merely logical use of the respective terms.

Far too much to expect the Carlton faithful who require ongoing remedial English classes to understand.

 

[Fadge]

Still waiting...

Which of Cripps' 'matchwinning performances' are we going to be talking about in 10 years?

 

[doppleganger]

It is abundantly clear that you didn't watch either game.

And please don't criticise others for using stats because all they show is "how busy a player is" and then start comparing Cripps to other players in a game based on disposals and player ratings. The height of hypocrisy.

Walshy list of stat paddling was his evidence of Crippa being a "match winner".

What he apparently has to resort to when you think match winner is the same as BOG (they aren't).

And he loves using footywire stats comparison as evidence of who is better.

Cripps getting 40 touches doesn't make him a match winner.

 

[doppleganger]

Still waiting...

Which of Cripps' 'matchwinning performances' are we going to be talking about in 10 years?

Walshy will be wanting to talk about all of them...fond memories of the 21st century peak period where the Baggers had Back2Back finals appearances and Crippa won some individual awards with his dominant stat paddling performances.

 

[Fadge]

Walshy list of stat paddling was his evidence of Crippa being a "match winner".

What he apparently has to resort to when you think match winner is the same as BOG (they aren't).

And he loves using footywire stats comparison as evidence of who is better.

Cripps getting 40 touches doesn't make him a match winner.

There's nothing worse than a stat paddler...

I can't stand them!

 

[Worm4]

There is no basis of argument that Daicos is rated better than Cripps unless you are a biased collingwood supporter who goes off the eye test.

 

[Worm4]

Cripps getting 40 touches doesn't make him a match winner.

Guarantee that if Cripps has 40, at least half of those would be contested

 

[Fadge]

There is no basis of argument that Daicos is rated better than Cripps unless you are a biased collingwood supporter who goes off the eye test.

Yeah, sure Wormy.

 

[carlton_99]

Walshy list of stat paddling was his evidence of Crippa being a "match winner".

What he apparently has to resort to when you think match winner is the same as BOG (they aren't).

And he loves using footywire stats comparison as evidence of who is better.

Cripps getting 40 touches doesn't make him a match winner.

Once again putting words in people's mouths. Nobody said Cripps was a matchwinner because he got 40 disposals. He was a matchwinner because that game becomes a toss up or loss without that Herculean performance from him.

You clearly did not watch that game and your evidence against this claim from two people that did is "there were other players with 30+ disposals in the team" and "the infallible player ratings say otherwise". Laughable.

 

[carlton_99]

Walshy will be wanting to talk about all of them...fond memories of the 21st century peak period where the Baggers had Back2Back finals appearances and Crippa won some individual awards with his dominant stat paddling performances.

Cripps a statpadder? You really only watch your team play, huh?

 

[DangerSloane]

Simple answer is Carlton should be, but whether they finish above the Pies is questionable.
I think Collingwood with this group are over achievers whereas Carlton are currently underachievers.

Very basic view, but Carlton have largely disappointed even though their squad is really good.

 

[doppleganger]

Guarantee that if Cripps has 40, at least half of those would be contested

And majority won't end up in a score for Carlton.

Bagger fans more interested in how a player gets the ball, then what they actually do with it.

Scary news is that Daicos when moved into the midfield did show he can also be a contested beast (and that is as a skinny young kid!) just wait til he is mid / late 20s in his physical peak.

 

[doppleganger]

Once again putting words in people's mouths. Nobody said Cripps was a matchwinner because he got 40 disposals. He was a matchwinner because that game becomes a toss up or loss without that Herculean performance from him.

Go and check good old Walshy's list

Stat paddling in a 10+ goal belting of a woeful team where plenty of Baggers filled their boots = match winner.

 

[carlton_99]

Go and check good old Walshy's list

Stat paddling in a 10+ goal belting of a woeful team where plenty of Baggers filled their boots = match winner.

The Adelaide game was not a 10+ goal belting. Why are you changing the topic?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

What are the important, memorable games in which Cripps has been a matchwinner, that we'll be talking about in 10 years, in the same way we'll be reminiscing about Daicos' many matchwinning feats?

I already listed them... You just decided not to accept them because you knew Nicky didn't have enough games to match the great man and so you threw out 11 of them

Crippa still 10 games ahead in my books

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Ya'll can call Crippa whatever you want... Fact is he was the best player in the game last year and is a 2 time Brownlow medallist.

Something Nicky is yet to win one of despite his best selfish stat padding attempts.

 

[Fadge]

Simple answer is Carlton should be, but whether they finish above the Pies is questionable.
I think Collingwood with this group are over achievers whereas Carlton are currently underachievers.

Very basic view, but Carlton have largely disappointed even though their squad is really good.

Love this assessment.

One squad is not as good but perennially overachieve.

The other squad is better but continually underachieve.

Maybe the assessment is plain wrong?

 

[Fadge]

I already listed them... You just decided not to accept them because you knew Nicky didn't have enough games to match the great man and so you threw out 11 of them

Crippa still 10 games ahead in my books

Really?

All 21 games were 'memorable matchwinning performances that people will be talking about in 10 years'?

Somehow, I don't think so.

I mean, we're not even talking about any of his 'matchwinning performances' two weeks after they happen, let alone 10 years.

What are the biggest 3 games in which Cripps has turned in a matchwinning performance?

 

[Fadge]

The Adelaide game was not a 10+ goal belting. Why are you changing the topic?

Yep. I accepted that as a matchwinning performance.

There are plenty of 10 goal plus wins against Richmond 2024, North 2023/24, West Coast 2024 listed.

Do you personally consider Cripps' performances in those types of games as 'matchwinning'.

Because I certainly don't for Daicos in those types of games, despite him being the best player on the ground.

 

[Fadge]

Crippa still 10 games ahead in my books

Ive shared 13 matchwinning performances from Daicos.

Acknowledging you're comparing apples with oranges, which 2 don't you consider as matchwinning?

Or have you found another 2 for Cripps?

Or are you just really bad at maths?