Who will be better in 2025? Crows or Port?

[Cleric]

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Damm you ChatGPT.

 

[Macca19]

A direct comparison can be had by comparing the results of head to head games.
The Crows have won the last 4 games against the Power.
I would also argue that we have the worst coach out of the two.

We can do it line by line.
Forward lines. Crows absolutely dominate this one.
It's not even close.

Midfield. Port with the holy trinity of Butters, Rozee and JHF takes that out.

Ruck. Much of a muchness between ROB and Sweet.

Backline. With the loss of Houston, I would give the nod to the Crows, not by much.

So there's not alot between the two, in my eyes anyway, but I do think the Crows have better depth at this point.

Port kicked more goals than Adelaide did last year across the minor round so I dont think the forward line is as one sided as stated. Georgiades, Rioli and DBJ would get a gig in a 7 man forward line. I'm not sure thats dominating but would agree the Crows would have more forwards in the team.

Defence the same. AA, BZT, Farrell, Bergman would all play with Keane, MM and Hinge in a 7 man defence group.

Anyway, much of a muchness. Crows will likely finish higher than Port this year I would think.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Port kicked more goals than Adelaide did last year across the minor round so I dont think the forward line is as one sided as stated. Georgiades, Rioli and DBJ would get a gig in a 7 man forward line. I'm not sure thats dominating but would agree the Crows would have more forwards in the team.

Defence the same. AA, BZT, Farrell, Bergman would all play with Keane, MM and Hinge in a 7 man defence group.

Anyway, much of a muchness. Crows will likely finish higher than Port this year I would think.

DGB and BZT would not make a combination. BZT wouldn't even get close.

 

[Macca19]

DGB and BZT would not make a combination. BZT wouldn't even get close.

BZT finished 7th in the BnF for a team that finished 2nd. None of your KPD's finished in the top 10. Murray and Butts were nowhere with injury and Keane had some memorable horrid matches (as did BZT). BZT isnt popular, but he had a much better season than anyone outside of Port would have noticed. If you are picking 3 KPDs in a combined side to play 1 game then he's in it based on last years form.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

BZT finished 7th in the BnF for a team that finished 2nd. None of your KPD's finished in the top 10. Murray and Butts were nowhere with injury and Keane had some memorable horrid matches (as did BZT). BZT isnt popular, but he had a much better season than anyone outside of Port would have noticed. If you are picking 3 KPDs in a combined side to play 1 game then he's in it based on last years form.

No.
Like you said Murray and Butts were injured but both are better players than BZT. Murray would start in a combined team ahead Keane and so would Worrell.

 

[Cleric]

Port kicked more goals than Adelaide did last year across the minor round so I dont think the forward line is as one sided as stated. Georgiades, Rioli and DBJ would get a gig in a 7 man forward line. I'm not sure thats dominating but would agree the Crows would have more forwards in the team.

Defence the same. AA, BZT, Farrell, Bergman would all play with Keane, MM and Hinge in a 7 man defence group.

Anyway, much of a muchness. Crows will likely finish higher than Port this year I would think.

The amount of goals a club kicks has just as much to do with the quality of ball going into the forward line. Port had the better midfield who have better service. In top of that, Rozee kicked 15 goals, Butters kicked 13 and JHF kicked 27. I haven't gone through Adelaides mids, but I doubt any of them got near those numbers.
The fact that Ports holy trinity kicks so many goals takes alot of the weight off the forwards and makes defenders keep more of an eye on them than would happen when it was the Crows mids entering.

With the Port forwards, Georgie has similar stats to Fog, but Rioli put up similar numbers to Rochelle. Outside of Georgie and Rioli, DBJ got 24, and then Marshall and Finn with 12 each.
That's not an impossing forward line.
Marshall isn't going to be anything he isn't now. Lord was drafted the same year Thilthorpe was, and isn't anywhere near what he is.
I think the Crows forwards are well ahead of Ports.

 

[HugeJohnson]

Crows

 

[Thrillthorpe7]

Port kicked more goals than Adelaide did last year across the minor round so I dont think the forward line is as one sided as stated. Georgiades, Rioli and DBJ would get a gig in a 7 man forward line. I'm not sure thats dominating but would agree the Crows would have more forwards in the team.

Defence the same. AA, BZT, Farrell, Bergman would all play with Keane, MM and Hinge in a 7 man defence group.

Anyway, much of a muchness. Crows will likely finish higher than Port this year I would think.

Absolutely the first two, but DBJ?! We've finally been able to weed out our similar types in the forwardline (Murphy/Ned) with the recruiting of Rankine, Rachele, Keays and ANB in recent years. He is a passable player that tries hard, no thanks.

 

[Rich01]

We saw a glimpse of the future last night with Coach Carrs first game at the helm. Careful what you wish for port fans.

 

[Alwaysacrow]

Port look like they've given up on poor Kenny already. Good luck Josh lol.

 

[Dirty Bird]

BZT finished 7th in the BnF for a team that finished 2nd.

Stopped reading there.
NEVER bring up B+F results when trying to justify a players worth.
The way they hand out votes, it's effectively a participation award.

Your top 10 missed 8 Home and away matches between them. They're up there simply because they avoided injury/suspension.
Our top 10 missed 21 Home and away matches between them. Though, Rankine and Crouch did break the trend as they accounted for 16 by themselves.

 

[Walter H White]

Stopped reading there.
NEVER bring up B+F results when trying to justify a players worth.
The way they hand out votes, it's effectively a participation award.

Your top 10 missed 8 Home and away matches between them. They're up there simply because they avoided injury/suspension.
Our top 10 missed 21 Home and away matches between them. Though, Rankine and Crouch did break the trend as they accounted for 16 by themselves.

Agreed, useless comparison. B+F results are nonsense most of the time. People put way too much stock into them when assessing players.

 

[GrommoT]

We saw a glimpse of the future last night with Coach Carrs first game at the helm. Careful what you wish for port fans.

 

[Go the Guts]

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Well, that was completely turned on its head when the pear went full ‘kill Rankine coz he’s destroying us’, but yeah….

 

[HugeJohnson]

Well, that was completely turned on its head when the pear went full ‘kill Rankine coz he’s destroying us’, but yeah….

Whatever you want to believe, he still played more than a half. We were also missing our leading goalkicker that game.

 

[Go the Guts]

Whatever you want to believe, he still played more than a half. We were also missing our leading goalkicker that game.

It’s not what I believe, it’s exactly what happened. Rankine was going gangbusters and Houston was suspended for 5 weeks for taking him out. Adelaide were 6 points up at nearly 3/4 time when that happened.

 

[HugeJohnson]

It’s not what I believe, it’s exactly what happened. Rankine was going gangbusters and Houston was suspended for 5 weeks for taking him out. Adelaide were 6 points up at nearly 3/4 time when that happened.

You can't win without him?

 

[MadMundy]

Crom.

 

[Taper]

So what you’re telling me is he made finals?

Nicks hasn’t, next comparison? How about the other coaches I named, you’ve avoided them.

Face it the Hardwick example is a weak comparison when you’re comparing coaches who haven’t played finals. He did. Plenty of coaches don’t make finals and are sacked. Compare Nicks to those.

Nicks coaching has been excellent so far this year, he deserves more credit from Crows fans.
I'm confident that I'll be proven correct about Nicks been a good coach.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Nicks coaching has been excellent so far this year, he deserves more credit from Crows fans.
I'm confident that I'll be proven correct about Nicks been a good coach.

His name is Davis.

 

[Taper]

His name is Davis.

Nicks is the head coach and deserves credit.
He arrived at the Crows when the entire club was a raging dumpster fire, so it's fair to say the rebuild started in 2020.
For the Crows to have rebuilt within half a decade is a great effort, especially when you look at how much talent is being hoarded by the QLD and NSW clubs thanks to the bullshit academy rorts.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Nicks is the head coach and deserves credit.
He arrived at the Crows when the entire club was a raging dumpster fire, so it's fair to say the rebuild started in 2020.
For the Crows to have rebuilt within half a decade is a great effort, especially when you look at how much talent is being hoarded by the QLD and NSW clubs thanks to the bullshit academy rorts.

Ask yourself why our game plan has changed so significantly.

What is the 1 key change to our coaching staff?

Who is now determining our match day strategy & managing our coaching group?

Suggest you listen to both Davis & Nicks talk & tell me which one is of high intelligence.

 

[Cleric]

Ask yourself why our game plan has changed so significantly.

What is the 1 key change to our coaching staff?

Who is now determining our match day strategy & managing our coaching group?

Suggest you listen to both Davis & Nicks talk & tell me which one is of high intelligence.

One thing I would say is that the last 3 great coaches in Hardwick, Clarkson and Thompson all had extended periods before they became successful, with all three facing calls for them to be sacked.

I'm not saying Nicks will be the same, but the clubs that persist are closer than teams that constantly change.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

One thing I would say is that the last 3 great coaches in Hardwick, Clarkson and Thompson all had extended periods before they became successful, with all three facing calls for them to be sacked.

I'm not saying Nicks will be the same, but the clubs that persist are closer than teams that constantly change.

I don’t think anyone was calling for Clarkson to sacked, except for nuffies

 

[Cleric]

I don’t think anyone was calling for Clarkson to sacked, except for nuffies

Hawthorn has plenty of Nuffies.