Who will be delisted?

[scottwade]

I noticed on the main board Charlie G nominated Chambers, Erickson, Willoughby and M.Davis.

I would have thought Chambers, Ericksen and M. Davis were certainties, with Spriggs & Willoughby the questions.

The senior list is 38 players. You are also allowed 2 vets who can be included in the 38 or separate (allowing a max of 40). The 50% vet discount applies irrespective of whether they are inside or outside your main list.

Leo Barry & Micky O go onto the vets list for 2007. I would guess even with their savings (and that of Willo) that there would be little cap movement.

Another complicating factor is rookie elevations. As a zone selection I believe Rowe only signs a 1 year deal, so to retain him he must be elevated. I understand interstate rookie are offered 2 years therefore Phillips and Simpkin could be retained on the RL for another year.

This year 38 players; Willo replaced by Everitt = 38
Rookie elevations; Rowe, Phillips, Simpkin = 41
3 mandatory selections in the National draft = 44
O'Loughlin & Barry outside list = 42
Therefore 4 delistings required, assuming rookie elevations and cap room for a full list of 40.

 

[Francis30]

Make that 3 we'll have to delist because Paul Chambers left half way through the year. So I reckon Matthew Davis, David Spriggs and Josh Willougby would be my guesses.

 

[liz]

Another complicating factor is rookie elevations. As a zone selection I believe Rowe only signs a 1 year deal, so to retain him he must be elevated. I understand interstate rookie are offered 2 years therefore Phillips and Simpkin could be retained on the RL for another year.

I don't think it is the case that the zone selections can only spend one year on the rookie list. There used to be a rule that non-local rookies had to be guaranteed 2 years but that was abolished a few years ago when it became apparent that this would just stop clubs giving these players a chance.

So now, all rookies can be got rid of after just a year, but clubs are entitled to keep any rookie on the list for two years before elevating or delisting them.

Bevan is an example of a local rookie from recent times who got two years. He was elevated to "nominated rookie" status at the start of his second year, which enabled him to play senior football, but was still technically on the rookie list for that season.

I'd be surprised if Willoughby and Spriggs were not delisted. I'd be amazed if Davis wasn't. Chambers is a gonna. Erickson is probably a 50-50.

I'd be inclined to keep Rowe but on the rookie list. Phillips will stay too, but I don't think he is a certainty to be promoted.

 

[Oscar]

I think that the following will happen:

Williams (R)
Chambers (D)
Spriggs (D)
M. Davis (D)

Barry (V/L)
O'Loughlin (V/L)

With the addition of Everitt it gives us picks 15, 49, 65, 81, 97.
I do not think that any rookies will be elevated.

We could yet keep Leo & Micky on the main list to allow us to keep an extra 2rookies. I think the biggest question we have this year is which rookies we keep. We had 5 this year that were over 190cm & that size footballer generally takes a lot longer to develop than midfielders.

I hope that Ericksen is not delisted as I think that along with Shaw, Spida will have a big influence on their development. Five ruckmen is not an excessive burden to have on the list.

 

[smasher]

I read on the AFL/Sydney website that Spriggs was an emergency for the GF cause they had a lack of experienced players to pick from.
I can't see them delisting many,maybe some rookies as alot of blokes on the list have not had experience so they are untried in the seniors.I would always hesitate to suggest what Roosy may think as he tends to go out of the square

 

[CharlieG]

Currently, we have Williams and Chambers as confirmed outs, and Everitt the confirmed in.

Barry and O'Loughlin can go on the vets list but this is likely to be countered by the elevation of Simpkin and potentially Phillips.

The others under threat are Spriggs, Willoughby, Davis and Ericksen. I'm sceptical about keeping any player that hasn't cracked a game in three years. I suspect the three rookies will be gone, and Spriggs will hold on.

If both rookies are elevated and both oldies are vet-listed, that leaves us with four places to fill on the list. That's pick 15, 49, 65 and either 81 or a look at the pre-season draft. Sounds right.

The alternative that strikes me as plausible is that we give Spriggs a chance to test the market by delisting him and committing to him in the PSD/last round of the ND if he doesn't find an opportunity elsewhere. In fact, that would be good for both parties. Gives Spriggs a chance to see if there's a club where he gets a better chance than Sydney can pick him, and the Swans get a look at what else is available. His delisting would open a fifth spot on the list, so we could have two PSD picks if we wished.

 

[thegossip]

Dont know if this was a mistake by peter jonas but when asked in a interview tonight on 5aa in adelaide he said josh willoughby has been delisted. I hope the kid already knew this befor the family started ringing him

 

[Wollongong Represent]

There is no way Spriggs will be delisted. He won the league BnF in ACT, and led the young guys around the park all year. If it wasn't for our perfect health, Spriggs would of played plenty of footy this year. If they do delist him, any club would be well served snatching him in the PSD. I've bagged him for years, but he's earnt his spot.

Davis is not up to AFL standard and struggled to play on big bodies this year, repreatedly beaten in one on one contests and never appearing in the best.

The Eel is random and I suspect he'll be delisted, just hasn't been on the park enough to develop his game.

As for the rookies, garrubba, currie, wall and barlow would be definite exclusions in my opinion. Any of the other 4 (rowe, prior, simpkin, jack) would have to be unlucky not to get a second year, but in saying that, I think Jack would be the only one who might get elevated in the pre-season.

 

[swanriver]

There is no way Spriggs will be delisted. He won the league BnF in ACT, and led the young guys around the park all year. If it wasn't for our perfect health, Spriggs would of played plenty of footy this year. If they do delist him, any club would be well served snatching him in the PSD. I've bagged him for years, but he's earnt his spot.

Davis is not up to AFL standard and struggled to play on big bodies this year, repreatedly beaten in one on one contests and never appearing in the best.

The Eel is random and I suspect he'll be delisted, just hasn't been on the park enough to develop his game.

As for the rookies, garrubba, currie, wall and barlow would be definite exclusions in my opinion. Any of the other 4 (rowe, prior, simpkin, jack) would have to be unlucky not to get a second year, but in saying that, I think Jack would be the only one who might get elevated in the pre-season.

Well my thoughts on who may get delisted

SENIOR DELISTINGS spriggs,ericksen,willoughby,davis.m,chambers, ROOKIE DELISTINGS garrubba, currie, wall,prior ELEVATIONS simpkin,phillips

 

[Caj]

Well my thoughts on who may get delisted

SENIOR DELISTINGS spriggs,ericksen,willoughby,davis.m,chambers, ROOKIE DELISTINGS garrubba, currie, wall,prior ELEVATIONS simpkin,phillips

Agreed, reckon you are spot on

 

[natlovestheswans]

Go Auskick! Do it for the roomies.

 

[liz]

Agreed, reckon you are spot on

Me too.

Barlow is the rookie I'm not sure about but I really hope they give him another year. He is very very raw but there is something of an x-factor about him.

 

[chooker]

I have it on pretty good authority that 'cheese' will be getting another year on the Swans list.

 

[Jeffers]

Tough on Prior there. I reckon he could get another year with us. Can find the ball for a big man but needs extra work on his disposal. Has more of an upside IMO.

I'm a real big fan of Sam Rowe. If he can put on some more muscle he could slot in well either forward or back. Good skills for a big man and a very solid mark. Probably a better forward at this stage though.

 

[is2SWaNz]

Go Auskick! Do it for the roomies.

He'll do them proud.

 

[liz]

Tough on Prior there. I reckon he could get another year with us. Can find the ball for a big man but needs extra work on his disposal. Has more of an upside IMO.

You could argue that it is tough on any of those who don't get a second year. They have all shown something this year. And one could argue that there was no point in taking someone like Wall in the first place if they weren't going to give him a couple of years to develop physically.

The problem is that they will want to keep the rookie list ticking over, in the hope of snaring a gem. I'd think they'd want to clear 4 new spots on the list, at a minimum. If they are going to keep Barlow, Jack (not confirmed but likely, I'd say) and Rowe on the list, and maybe Phillips too (not convinced he will be automatically promoted to the senior list), the rest will probably be unlucky.

I think Prior is a very good mark and he is hard at the contest. But he's too small to play as a key forward and he's not particularly quick. He is the kind of player who would have to be able to take every goal kicking opportunity he got if he were to play at senior level and his kicking is suspect. I reckon he could become a very good player at a lower level but not sure whether he'll make his way at AFL level.

 

[Wollongong Represent]

Tough on Prior there. I reckon he could get another year with us. Can find the ball for a big man but needs extra work on his disposal. Has more of an upside IMO.

I'm a real big fan of Sam Rowe. If he can put on some more muscle he could slot in well either forward or back. Good skills for a big man and a very solid mark. Probably a better forward at this stage though.

Rowe is a pretty big unit already. He certainly looked big out on the field this year. I'll back you on Prior too, does have an upside despite his lack of pace. I'm interested in Simpkin though, I didn't think he did that much but then again, they rotate they're midfield so quickly you're not sure who's getting a kick and who isn't.

 

[Jeffers]

You could argue that it is tough on any of those who don't get a second year. They have all shown something this year. And one could argue that there was no point in taking someone like Wall in the first place if they weren't going to give him a couple of years to develop physically.

The problem is that they will want to keep the rookie list ticking over, in the hope of snaring a gem. I'd think they'd want to clear 4 new spots on the list, at a minimum. If they are going to keep Barlow, Jack (not confirmed but likely, I'd say) and Rowe on the list, and maybe Phillips too (not convinced he will be automatically promoted to the senior list), the rest will probably be unlucky.

I think Prior is a very good mark and he is hard at the contest. But he's too small to play as a key forward and he's not particularly quick. He is the kind of player who would have to be able to take every goal kicking opportunity he got if he were to play at senior level and his kicking is suspect. I reckon he could become a very good player at a lower level but not sure whether he'll make his way at AFL level.

Fair enough Liz. I agree there should be a minimum of 4 free rookie spots especially for this year considering it is the 'superdraft'. Prior is definately a good mark but i'm definately in agreeance that his kicking is especially suspect which may be the deciding factor in whether they keep him or not. But this can definately be worked on so i say it will come down to the wire if he gets another year. Stef, Wall, Currie are pretty much definates to be gone. I'm still not sold on Keiren Jack but he does have alot of Fixter like qualities that we could use in case one of our small backmen gets a long term injury so i reckon they will keep him for that purpose for next year.

What is your opinion on Sam Rowe Liz? Are you excited on this prospect as i am?

 

[liz]

I'm not sure that I'm excited, per se, by Rowe but he's had too good a year not to get another. His main attribute, IMO, is his brain - he just never looks flustered and gets himself in the right spot. His work ethic looks impressive too. However, he's a couple of cm too short for the ruck at AFL level and I'm not convinced whether he has he pace / class to make it as a key defender. But then it is hard to tell after just one year (which is why even Wall, Currie etc would be stiff to be cut now).