I was just thinking about the past few years and how many coaches changed and how many clubs got new coaches, only 1 this year. Who will be the first to be ousted next season, just curious to hear what others think
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Who will be the next coach ousted from a club, in 2001 that is.
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Malcolm Blight............lllllllllooooooolllllll
Hard to pick - if any coach for 2001 It would be Mark Williams from Port Adelaide. There was a strong rumour going around that Mark Harvey was interested in moving interstate to start his senior coaching career, but only time will tell.
The Dockers need to have a good year this year to save Drum. If they finish below 12th I dont think we'll see him in 2002 (how can they afford to reinstate his contract with 15th, 12th, ??)
The Dockers need to have a good year this year to save Drum. If they finish below 12th I dont think we'll see him in 2002 (how can they afford to reinstate his contract with 15th, 12th, ??)
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IMHO... along with Williams, Ayres, Drum (especially if they can't get Bell)... Mathews must be under the pump... with the team he has... They are far better then they have shown (whos fault is that)... they are only going backwards... expected far more this year... and so did many others...
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I don't think Adelaide and West Coast will have the patience to keep Ayres and Judge as long as Geelong and Hawthorn did.
Think about it. If WCE are to endure some lean seasons they might as well have woosha there. - by the end of the year he will have had 2 years as assistant coach at Carlton
Think about it. If WCE are to endure some lean seasons they might as well have woosha there. - by the end of the year he will have had 2 years as assistant coach at Carlton
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Leigh Matthews
Damian Drum
Gary Ayres
They would be the shakiest at the moment I reckon, but in reality nobody is safe - not even Sheedy.
Oh and Mark Williams could be under the pump too.
Damian Drum
Gary Ayres
They would be the shakiest at the moment I reckon, but in reality nobody is safe - not even Sheedy.
Oh and Mark Williams could be under the pump too.
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Well I disagree vehemently on Matthews. Two years at the helm and the Lions have finished fourth and fifth. Out of their five finals under Matthews they've won three and by comfortable margins. Yet Rooboy and Dannii are saying Matthews is under the pump and most likely to go next year. Well on that criteria, I'd be saying goodbye to Terry Wallace next year as well. As to the Lions going backwards, well memories are short aren't they? The Lions finished on the bottom of the ladder in 1998 under Northey and Merrett.
I'd suggest Rooboy that one of the main reasons why the Lions did not perform to expectations this year was (like many other clubs, especially Richmond) was injury. This is something that the coach has little control over. The return in 2001 of Keating, McRae, Brad Scott etc, just to name a few, the continued development of kids like McDonald, Brown, Bolton etc.,the recruiting of a good centre-half forward (Mal Michael?) and of course a reasonable run with injuries may see the Lions reach their potential in 2001. I can't see any justification for saying Matthews is under the pump to be sacked next year. Any suggestion that he is, is way off the mark .
(I'm also not sure what your problem with the Lions board is either, Dannii.)
I'd suggest Rooboy that one of the main reasons why the Lions did not perform to expectations this year was (like many other clubs, especially Richmond) was injury. This is something that the coach has little control over. The return in 2001 of Keating, McRae, Brad Scott etc, just to name a few, the continued development of kids like McDonald, Brown, Bolton etc.,the recruiting of a good centre-half forward (Mal Michael?) and of course a reasonable run with injuries may see the Lions reach their potential in 2001. I can't see any justification for saying Matthews is under the pump to be sacked next year. Any suggestion that he is, is way off the mark .
(I'm also not sure what your problem with the Lions board is either, Dannii.)
I would have to agree with roylion about Matthews. I doubt he is under much pressure at this stage. He's had them in the finals 2 years in a row, good crowds & they play an exciting attacking brand of football. They also had a diabolical draw this year.
From what I have read on this board & in the papers, Judge will be under the pump. West Coast expect success (so they should) & injuries or not the coasters look to be falling apart. I think he might be looking for a new job this time next year.
From this side of the Nullabor I would be suprised if Drum was given the axe. Although they finished well down the ladder again there were definate signs of REAL improvement this year. They have a good crop of young players & now play good HARD footy.
I would kill for Pavlich. Drum has turned the club around & deserves a chance to reap the rewards of his hard work. Freo will improve their ladder position next year.
Now Gary Ayres. He is under the pump, make no mistake about it. He certainly coached badly at times this year. He does not seem to be able to adapt to events during a game. He is VERY slow to make changes. If you lack tall forwards then you adapt (ala Bulldogs when Grant was out). There is NO discernable method of taking the ball forward. He has also alienated good players (Rehn, Vardy etc). You can do that if you are winning. He isn't.
I think he will be looking for a new job this time next year. The board has appointed Neil Craig as assistant coach. This was a board appointment, not one made by Ayres. Craig was fitness coach under Blight, is ambitous, has coached Norwood at SANFL level, has a destinquished playing record (over 300 SANFL games) & has had a long association with the SA institute of sport & elite cycling. I predict he will be Adelaide's senior coach for the 2002 season.
As for the rest?
Frawley will be under the pump because Richmond coaches always are. (Don't get too offended tiger fans. With 4 coaches in 10 years my club in the same boat).
Williams will need to make the 8 this year. He was lucky Port had a better 2nd half to the season but he will feel the pressure.
The rest are probably pretty safe but you never know.
From what I have read on this board & in the papers, Judge will be under the pump. West Coast expect success (so they should) & injuries or not the coasters look to be falling apart. I think he might be looking for a new job this time next year.
From this side of the Nullabor I would be suprised if Drum was given the axe. Although they finished well down the ladder again there were definate signs of REAL improvement this year. They have a good crop of young players & now play good HARD footy.
I would kill for Pavlich. Drum has turned the club around & deserves a chance to reap the rewards of his hard work. Freo will improve their ladder position next year.
Now Gary Ayres. He is under the pump, make no mistake about it. He certainly coached badly at times this year. He does not seem to be able to adapt to events during a game. He is VERY slow to make changes. If you lack tall forwards then you adapt (ala Bulldogs when Grant was out). There is NO discernable method of taking the ball forward. He has also alienated good players (Rehn, Vardy etc). You can do that if you are winning. He isn't.
I think he will be looking for a new job this time next year. The board has appointed Neil Craig as assistant coach. This was a board appointment, not one made by Ayres. Craig was fitness coach under Blight, is ambitous, has coached Norwood at SANFL level, has a destinquished playing record (over 300 SANFL games) & has had a long association with the SA institute of sport & elite cycling. I predict he will be Adelaide's senior coach for the 2002 season.
As for the rest?
Frawley will be under the pump because Richmond coaches always are. (Don't get too offended tiger fans. With 4 coaches in 10 years my club in the same boat).
Williams will need to make the 8 this year. He was lucky Port had a better 2nd half to the season but he will feel the pressure.
The rest are probably pretty safe but you never know.
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Port Adelaide.
When they played the Hawks at the MCG hawthorn fans were impatient with their team. In actual fact the Power were extremely well drilled and will be good when their players mature. I wouldn't be surprised if they headed back up the ladder
When they played the Hawks at the MCG hawthorn fans were impatient with their team. In actual fact the Power were extremely well drilled and will be good when their players mature. I wouldn't be surprised if they headed back up the ladder
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If people are seriously suggesting Matthews as a warm favorite to go, why not Terry Wallace or Rodney Eade? Both have similar records to Matthews at their current clubs. Both have coached at their current club for longer than Matthews has and have had ample time to coach them to a premiership. Lets consider SOME of the facts.
Matthews: 2 years at the Lions. Highest position 4th, Lowest postition 5th.
Wallace: 6 or so years at the Bulldogs. Has not finished above 3rd. Finished 7th this year, below the Lions.
Eade: Coached the Swans to 2nd in 1996, but in the four years since, their postion on the ladder has steadily declined. This year they finished 10th.
Now if people are going to offer alternative explanations for these records, that don't blame the coach, such as Lockett retiring, or injury to Paul Kelly, or how Wallace has been able to extract the most from an untalented team, or a host of other reasons, why aren't the same excuses extended to Matthews? Great players have retired at the Lions. Vital players have been injured for periods of time, especially this year.
Personally I think they're all great coaches and I don't expect that any of them will go next year. However I can't fathom any logical reason why some people consider Matthews (or Pagan for that matter) to be a favorite for sacking next year. Perhaps Rooboy, BSA and Dannii could offer their reasons.
Matthews: 2 years at the Lions. Highest position 4th, Lowest postition 5th.
Wallace: 6 or so years at the Bulldogs. Has not finished above 3rd. Finished 7th this year, below the Lions.
Eade: Coached the Swans to 2nd in 1996, but in the four years since, their postion on the ladder has steadily declined. This year they finished 10th.
Now if people are going to offer alternative explanations for these records, that don't blame the coach, such as Lockett retiring, or injury to Paul Kelly, or how Wallace has been able to extract the most from an untalented team, or a host of other reasons, why aren't the same excuses extended to Matthews? Great players have retired at the Lions. Vital players have been injured for periods of time, especially this year.
Personally I think they're all great coaches and I don't expect that any of them will go next year. However I can't fathom any logical reason why some people consider Matthews (or Pagan for that matter) to be a favorite for sacking next year. Perhaps Rooboy, BSA and Dannii could offer their reasons.
Roylion... I was not trying to start an arguement... just stating an opinion that the Lions... have under-achieved... when you look at there list... It was nearly a compliment...
Don't jump off a bridge or anything...
Don't jump off a bridge or anything...
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Rooboy, I don't believe the Lions have under-achieved in the last two years, with the players they have had available to them. They can't be considered a great team capable of winning premierships until they address a couple of fundamental weaknesses. One is they lack a talented, fit centre-half forward. They're also short of a running, rebounding 6 foot half-bank flanker/ centreman, along the lines of Hueskes and Brad Boyd. The backline of the Lions also took a battering this year with injuries and other disappearences at different times to the Scott twins, Lawrence, Hueskes, Kennedy, Champion, etc. and this is an area that needs to be rectified as well. Shane O'Bree was a very handy player who also fitted the mold of a tall, running half-back flanker as well last year, as was Clark Keating at centre-half forward in 1999.
No one was saying at the end of 1999 that the Lions were under-achievers as they had dragged themselves from last to fourth. Why are they considered under-acheivers now when they finished fifth? This year there are logical reasons why the Lions didn't improve on fourth from 1999. I don't see how they can be accused of "under-achieving" and I also don't see how it logically follows that Matthews is in danger of being sacked because of this. If Melbourne finish fourth or fifth next year will you be saying the same thing about Neale Daniher? Will his job be in jeopardy because he hasn't been able to coach this team of players to a premiership? No of course not!
No one was saying at the end of 1999 that the Lions were under-achievers as they had dragged themselves from last to fourth. Why are they considered under-acheivers now when they finished fifth? This year there are logical reasons why the Lions didn't improve on fourth from 1999. I don't see how they can be accused of "under-achieving" and I also don't see how it logically follows that Matthews is in danger of being sacked because of this. If Melbourne finish fourth or fifth next year will you be saying the same thing about Neale Daniher? Will his job be in jeopardy because he hasn't been able to coach this team of players to a premiership? No of course not!
every time essendon has a worse year than the year before all the ess fans call for sheedys head
so we would want to go undefeated or they will be screaming for his blood
personally i would keep for atleast another 20 years
so we would want to go undefeated or they will be screaming for his blood
personally i would keep for atleast another 20 years
Gary Ayres will go.
The guy just doesn't let his players enjoy their footy. He seems to have the players playing in spite of him, rather than for him.
He doesn't create a harmonious atmosphere.
Ken Judge should go, but he seems to be able to convince the board (first Hawthorn, no West Coast), that his actions and coaching philosophies are based on a mediocre playing list; not his own detriments
He seems to be able to convince others that everything he does is justified.
In reality, Judge was rebuilding for about 5 f*ckign years at the Hawks. How long do you need to rebuild for ? Whenever the question was asked, he always said, "Ys, but we're rebuilding"
The Hawks were ALWAYS rebuilding under Judge, mainly because he was a negative coach, who just didn't let the players play with the natural flair that Australian Football dictates.
He has done the same thing to West Coast. He will disguise the bad season under 'injuries' and 'the ageing of some champions'. In reality, he is a neagative coach, who delivered 7 wins to a team that hadn't missed the finals for 10 years.
Make no mistake, the Eagles claim they are rebuilding. Under Judge, they will be rebuilding for the next 4 or 5 or 6 years until his inevitable axeing.
The guy just doesn't let his players enjoy their footy. He seems to have the players playing in spite of him, rather than for him.
He doesn't create a harmonious atmosphere.
Ken Judge should go, but he seems to be able to convince the board (first Hawthorn, no West Coast), that his actions and coaching philosophies are based on a mediocre playing list; not his own detriments
He seems to be able to convince others that everything he does is justified.
In reality, Judge was rebuilding for about 5 f*ckign years at the Hawks. How long do you need to rebuild for ? Whenever the question was asked, he always said, "Ys, but we're rebuilding"
The Hawks were ALWAYS rebuilding under Judge, mainly because he was a negative coach, who just didn't let the players play with the natural flair that Australian Football dictates.
He has done the same thing to West Coast. He will disguise the bad season under 'injuries' and 'the ageing of some champions'. In reality, he is a neagative coach, who delivered 7 wins to a team that hadn't missed the finals for 10 years.
Make no mistake, the Eagles claim they are rebuilding. Under Judge, they will be rebuilding for the next 4 or 5 or 6 years until his inevitable axeing.
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Dan24
We had four years of judge, three post merger.
We kept him basically because he was cheap. But the change of coaches and virtual reversal of ladder positions tells the story.
I thought we should then have gone for a 'name' but I'm quite pleased with Schwabby - he's a thinker and 'quiet acheiver'
I wouldn't be surprised if Parkin ended up at the hawks because despite all the hoohaa about 'coach mentor' etc the hawks did offer Parkin a Job when he looked shaky at carlton in '98. That would have been as 'mentor' (if you like) to Ken Judge.
We had four years of judge, three post merger.
We kept him basically because he was cheap. But the change of coaches and virtual reversal of ladder positions tells the story.
I thought we should then have gone for a 'name' but I'm quite pleased with Schwabby - he's a thinker and 'quiet acheiver'
I wouldn't be surprised if Parkin ended up at the hawks because despite all the hoohaa about 'coach mentor' etc the hawks did offer Parkin a Job when he looked shaky at carlton in '98. That would have been as 'mentor' (if you like) to Ken Judge.
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Dont worry bout the coach i say we sack our recruiting officer.........i still cant believe we picked up anything!
