Yeah, it's part of why I feel like we can't compare with either side. The Hawks '08 side had Hodge, Birchall, Lewis, Mitchell, Franklin, Rioli, Roughead, Brown and Ellis, who were all involved in the later premierships in some capacity (if I'm not mistaken). The majority of our experienced or middle aged guys involved in the 2016 premiership have since retired (Clay Smith, Robert Murphy*, Matthew Boyd, Shane Biggs) or moved on (Jordan Roughead, Luke Dahlhaus, Jake Stringer, Joel Hamling), plus Dale Morris and Liam Picken will probably be retiring this year. If we make another grand final any time soon, it's likely to involve maybe half the side we fielded that day, and most of them were quite young at the time:
The reason this is impossible to predict is that all 4 teams are incredibly fragile, and that won't change in 2019. All 4 teams are capable of stringing a bunch of wins together if everything goes right for them. To the extent that things go wrong for them, that will determine their final position. So the circumstances that will determine the success of each team haven't occurred yet. It is a complete lottery.
This might sound like a truism, but in my view solid teams can weather more bad luck. If say Richmond have a garbage year, I expect them to still make the 8. But any of these 4 teams in my view could conceivably come 17th or 6th. That is what makes them weak teams.
how does it stack up against the rest of the melbourne teams ?? compared to the rest of the Melbourne based teams St Kildas travel schedule was (now here is the key word) ALMOST like an interstate club...