Who would you rather coach?

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It would be interesting to know how Richmond supporters rate Wallace's coaching performance at their club. How would they rate their current squad of players and has he got the best out of them? He was a coach that was rated highly by a lot of people prior to taking on the Richmond job. Is he still seen in that light?
Bartman you are a legend:thumbsu:

This is my exact reason for paying out on the Tugger fans on here. It is because they have shown that they are incapable of analysing anything to do with their own club.

If they could analyse the situation they would see that Wallet has performed very poorly in recruiting, which is pivitol to a clubs success.

In the case of Richmond recruiting and developing the kids should have been the most important role of the incoming coach and Wallet scores a 0/10 in this area.

Richmond could not win a flag unless they totally reengineered their playing list and Wallet was the wrong man for this job.

He will be lucky to see out his contract at best, but there will be no Richmond fans coming back to admit they were wrong.

You can count on that.
 

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....may I also add, Danny Frawley, the man whose name sends shivers down the spine of all Richmond folk, managed to get the Tigers into the finals in his 1st year at the club. We all know what happened next:thumbsdown: .

How will Richmond supporters feel about Wallace if he fails to achieve what even Frawley achieved?
You are 100% correct but they will never admit anything.

Richmond fans are deluded, end of story. More so than the Taliban.
 

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Bartman you are a legend:thumbsu:

This is my exact reason for paying out on the Tugger fans on here. It is because they have shown that they are incapable of analysing anything to do with their own club.

If they could analyse the situation they would see that Wallet has performed very poorly in recruiting, which is pivitol to a clubs success.

In the case of Richmond recruiting and developing the kids should have been the most important role of the incoming coach and Wallet scores a 0/10 in this area.

Richmond could not win a flag unless they totally reengineered their playing list and Wallet was the wrong man for this job.

He will be lucky to see out his contract at best, but there will be no Richmond fans coming back to admit they were wrong.

You can count on that.
Fiora for Simmonds
Pick 55 for P. Bowden
Effectively only gave up a third round pick for Polak (who is now showing positive signs)

Wallace has recruited a host of kids to the list and a lot have shown good signs of development.
I know Hawthorn supporters think that they recruited more talented kids then Richmond in the 2004 draft, but except for Franklin, the Richmonds draftees have shown just as much as Hawthorns from that draft. With Delidio more so.
Since Wallace took over from Frawley there has been dramatic improvement from Pettifer, Tuck, Foley and Raines.
Over the two year Richmond has had a Rising star winner (Delidio) and runner up (Raines). Has any Hawthorn players come close to winning the Rising Star Award over the last two years?

Now what was that about Wallace being poor at recruiting and developing young players?
 

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In the case of Richmond recruiting and developing the kids should have been the most important role of the incoming coach and Wallet scores a 0/10 in this area.
What a load of horse **** and you know it.
Many of the players who are now integral to the Doggies current success were recruited under Wallace or was that the recruiting managers doing?:rolleyes:
Yet now after two years you are writing all the players drafted under him as duds...
Do you know anything at all about football.?

It's all a smokesceen anyway. We know 90% of Hawks supporters wanted Wallace, hence the bitterness.
 

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At that time I was extremely relieved to finally see Schwab go.

I had lived through so much pain seeing Knights, Judge and then Schwab dismantle my great club and turn it into something almost as bad as Richmond.

At the time to be honest I was more focused on the Chief. He was making all the right noises and I had a strange sense of confidence that the club was finally going to do the right thing.

I trusted the Chief and when he overlooked Wallet and Ayres I was happy. Then we he overlooked Eade as well, I began to be a little puzzled.

When they appointed Clarkson I did some homework and realised that he was highly regarded at Port Adelaide who had just won a flag.

When I saw that Hardwick, Pelchin and Russell followed him to the Hawks this gave me great confidence as they were the masterminds at the Power and wouldn't follow Clarkson unless they believed in him.

The reason I love ripping into your club is that I am very much into strategy. I live it at work and in life.

I admire the strategy the Hawthorn Football Club has taken and have been able to identify their plan very early on, with much excitement.

Being cognisant of this plan and watching it realise, is very rewarding.

What it does though is give you a much greater perspective on how ridiculous Wallet's modus has been and I have absolutely no doubt he will turn your club into dust within another 18 months or so.

This is why I give it to you. Because you guys will not open your eyes.

The minute you do you will be upset and rightly so, but at this point I won't have anything to criticise you about, I will feel sorry for you.

As I said I lived through a horror period at the Hawks and don't wish it on anyone.

What annoys me about you though is I knew the plan sucked at Hawthorn right through the horror of Knights, Judge and Schwab. I didn;t live in denial and didn't acknowledge it only after each of the sackings.

You guys need to wake up and smell Wallets crud, only then can I relate to you guys, instead of reading your meaningless and stupid responses on how the Tigers are doing well under Wallet.
love your work man

its a shame because i spend day after day telling my fellow tiges but they just dont seem to get it
 

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I explained this in detail above. I trsuted in the Chief overlooking Wallet and Ayres but was puzzled a bit on Eade. So I guess it was Eade, although I wasn't strong on him.
From what I recall the Chief was pretty disappointed when Wallace decided to coach Richmond. It was not that Hawthorn did not want Wallace it was more that Wallace made the decision.
 

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Definitely prefer the bigger challenge of taking on the

Marlyn Monroes (legend a long time ago) in tiggerish lacey lingerie on massive does of sleeping pills:thumbsu:

than the

Big Blowy B1tchslappe'n Birds:thumbsdown:
 

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love your work man

its a shame because i spend day after day telling my fellow tiges but they just dont seem to get it
Thanks PLSC.

I honestly appreciate this, because a couple of Richmond fans lately have jumped on board too.

It absolutely does not give me ANY pleasure to see Richmond or any other side disintegrate.

However listening to most Richmond fans on here talk up Wallet and their plan, over and over has made feel obliged to awaken them.

This is why my comments like, "I can't wait till Wallet is found out" or "I can't wait till the lynch mob attacks Wallet" are misunderstood.

I can't wait for two reasons and neither are the pleasure of watching a club fail.

1) Because the sooner Wallet goes the better.

2) Richmond fans delusions might finally get the wake up call they need.

AND YES I will be doing a bit of I told you so, but probably much less than you think.

PLSC, come on over to the Hawk board and talk strategy about my club or yours anytime. I luv talking to posters who can put bias aside and get into the guts of things:)
 

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If they could analyse the situation they would see that Wallet has performed very poorly in recruiting, which is pivitol to a clubs success.
It's too early to tell, JON seems a bit iffy to me, and Tambling hopefully starts to breakout this year.

The Hawks have recruited well? A lot of them are still just names that haven't played yet.
 

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It's too early to tell, JON seems a bit iffy to me, and Tambling hopefully starts to breakout this year.

The Hawks have recruited well? A lot of them are still just names that haven't played yet.
Smithers honestly I have read a few of your posts and you seem very genuine so can I ask you a serious question?

Lance Franklin
Gun

1/0

Jordan Lewis
Grant Birchall

performed similar to Deledio. You will think Deleds, but the fact is they are all on about par.

3/1

Clinton Young
Thomas Murphy
Jarryd Roughead
=
Raines, Foley

6/3

I know there are some others from your mob, but we have Max Bailey, Xavier Ellis (Top 3 pick) Beau Muston and Beau Dowler coming through.

Not to mention Brent Renouf, Morton and the Thorpedo ...

The comment about Hawks kids is pretty substantiated, although it won't be proven for another year or so.

I like Thursfield from you guys, and hopefully bling proves us all wrong but you get my point I hope.

So after all that, "Are you confident in how Wallace is travelling?"
 

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It's too early to tell, JON seems a bit iffy to me, and Tambling hopefully starts to breakout this year.

The Hawks have recruited well? A lot of them are still just names that haven't played yet.
And that's H2F's and other's problems...they employ double standards when rating their kids versus anyone elses. Its the same with list management. H2F loves to bag the Richmond list management and coaching panel because they're doing things differently to his beloved Hawks...totally missing the point that NEITHER style has proven anything yet.

H2F, you should take this broken record of yours off for a few years. Come back when there's some actual evidence that TW is screwing our list, not just your own personal opinions of where our list is at and passing them off as gospel. Until then, you're just another guy with a big mouth. Who loves agreeing with people who support his stance and who won't accept any argument in the other direction, no matter what statistical evidence or bulldust is quoted.

Admit it, you're obsessed.
 

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Effectively only gave up a third round pick for Polak (who is now showing positive signs)
I think that's a myth. For Polak you gave up a 3rd Rounder plus traded pick 8 for pick 13. You can't just say "we would've picked the same player anyway, so it's nothing". In such a reportedly strong draft, it is a massive drop from 8-13.
All things considered and given this was labelled a 'superdraft', a 3rd Rounder and trading pick 8 for 13 is a reasonable price to pay for Polak. Worth it if he comes good though.
Definately a win there.
Pick 55 for P. Bowden
That one's looking good as well.
 

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It's all a smokesceen anyway. We know 90% of Hawks supporters wanted Wallace, hence the bitterness.

Now that is garbage.....the fact is the majority didn't want past players after the Shwabby dibarcle....
Enjoy Terry Wallet because he is a smart coach..just not what we needed
 
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I agree and disagree with you Hodge2Franklin

Yes richmond has the 2nd worst list in the AFL. Mainly due to poor coaching and recruiting pre wallace.

My best friend is a mad dogs fan and we used to watch heaps of dogs and tigers games. He always said (At the time wallace coached dogs) there coach is one of the best in the AFL and i agreed (We had The SPUD!!!! :( ) When he did the dirty on them we both were upset since the dogs were so close to becoming something special (You could see they were going places).

Yes Wallace is a merc, media junkie and many other bad things, but yes he can coach. Many people are still bitter over him and why not what he did was down right dirty but everyone should get a 2nd chance (Look at West coast Benny :) ).

One thing i can say wallace took a poor list and finished 9th (SPUD would have finished last). We ain't good enough to play finals (it's a dream, which i hope comes true). But wallace will point us in the right direction.

Bitter Fans don't see clearly. I know i was and still upset that ottens went (Geelong did well getting him and for the record he is not a dud).
 

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I think that's a myth. For Polak you gave up a 3rd Rounder plus traded pick 8 for pick 13. You can't just say "we would've picked the same player anyway, so it's nothing". In such a reportedly strong draft, it is a massive drop from 8-13.
All things considered and given this was labelled a 'superdraft', a 3rd Rounder and trading pick 8 for 13 is a reasonable price to pay for Polak. Worth it if he comes good though.

Definately a win there.

That one's looking good as well.
With last years draft, the standout talent were Gibbs, Laurenburger, Gumbleton and Hansen. After them there the talant decreased by a couple of notches and stayed there until the early 20's. Swaping pick 8 for 13 was not a big drop, but if they traded say pick 4 (if they had it) for pick 6, then that have been a massive drop.
 

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With last years draft, the standout talent were Gibbs, Laurenburger, Gumbleton and Hansen. After them there the talant decreased by a couple of notches and stayed there until the early 20's. Swaping pick 8 for 13 was not a big drop, but if they traded say pick 4 (if they had it) for pick 6, then that have been a massive drop.
I think you will find the highly talented lasted to pick 10...

1. Gibbs
2. Gumbleton
3. Hansen
4. Leuenberger
5. Boak
6. Thorpe
7. Selwood
8. Reid
9. Armitage
10. Brown

From there it all went bad Everitt, Frawley and Reiwoldt (although Frawley will be alright) ...

I still cannot believe Hawthorn got Renouf at Pick 24. The recruiters are a joke these days. Biggest steal of the draft.

You idiots gave up Reid for polHACK, another draft clanger.
 

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Lance Franklin
Jordan Lewis
Grant Birchall

Deledio
Raines

3/2

Roughead

Polo
Foley

4/4

To be honest, I have only seen Young a couple of times and wasn't aware that Murphy had even played a senior game. I'd put Pattison and Tambling in the same boat as these.

So after all that, "Are you confident in how Wallace is travelling?"
Yes, I am.

The fact that we're growing a bunch of kids together so we have a large group all in that 24-26 year old range, they might not have the quality to win a flag, but we should have a core group that play finals consistently.

I don't think you'll see anything much from us for another 2-3 years, but it'd be nice to get into the finals before then.
 

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In such a reportedly strong draft, it is a massive drop from 8-13
The whole superdraft thing is blown out of proportion as well.

Hodge, Ball, Judd... all good

Polak, X. Clarke, Sampi .... disappointing so far

Hale, Bartel.... improving and good

Molan... who??

Sam Power..... disappointing

A superdraft has a lot better 'depth' than normal, but you still have to pick the right player and a top ten pick isn't a certainty to give you a superstar.
 

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I think you will find the highly talented lasted to pick 10...

1. Gibbs
2. Gumbleton
3. Hansen
4. Leuenberger
5. Boak
6. Thorpe
7. Selwood
8. Reid
9. Armitage
10. Brown

From there it all went bad Everitt, Frawley and Reiwoldt (although Frawley will be alright) ...

I still cannot believe Hawthorn got Renouf at Pick 24. The recruiters are a joke these days. Biggest steal of the draft.

You idiots gave up Reid for polHACK, another draft clanger.
Everybody in the media and web sites who was predicting the draft had Gibbs, Laurenburger, Gumbleton and Hansan going top four. From then on the draft order was all over the place. Most of them predicted Jack Reiwoldt would go top ten, while some said he was going to go later. Some had James Frawly and Everit going in the early 20's. Many had Reid and Brown going 12+. Half of them had Seller going top 10.
I can go on and on. But my point is that the talent between 5 to early 20's was not that much different from each other.
 
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