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OK - I'll bite.Lazy is your response.
Freo's forward line is as thin as toilet paper and everyone know's it.
Feel free to list your best 7-8 forwards.
After Brayshaw, Jackson and Serong list your next best 10 players
That tells everthing that matters.
I'm betting you wont. Too lazy.
OK - I'll bite.
These guys have done a pretty good job of breaking down our team overall all positions - including forwards. Every AFL team's best 23 for '23: Fremantle Dockers
Clearly tall forwards is our biggest gap - but I'd argue our small forwards stack up well (Frederick, Switkowski and Schultz - plus Walters - although like Fyfe we can't base our potential on him playing well week in week out)
But - best 10 players beyond Brayshaw, Jackson and Serong
- Darcy - AA Squad, best ruck under the age of 25 in the comp
- Young - named in 22 Under 22 team last year - most commentators predicting full AA within 2-3 years
- Cox - only 24 and in AA squad last year
- Ryan - AA in 2020
- Pearce - 27, if fit one of the best three KPD in the league
- Switkowski - whether you think Champion Data is worth anything - he was rated elite as a small pressure forward last year
- Clark - named in 22 under 22 last year
- Frederick - in 22 under 22 squad last year
- Brodie - an exceptional year last year, let's see if he can back it up
- Schultz - 30 goals last year
And then throw a blanket over half a dozen youngsters who have already shown a lot of potential (and not the sort of Chesser potential that Eagles fans are hanging their hat on) - Chapman, Walker, O'Driscoll, Amiss, Treacy.
Not named Fyfe or Walters because who knows if they are still able to perform week after week. O'Meara may be - but to be honest he's not a player I've especially watched.
Yep - this looks spot on to me.OK - I'll bite.
These guys have done a pretty good job of breaking down our team overall all positions - including forwards. Every AFL team's best 23 for '23: Fremantle Dockers
Clearly tall forwards is our biggest gap - but I'd argue our small forwards stack up well (Frederick, Switkowski and Schultz - plus Walters - although like Fyfe we can't base our potential on him playing well week in week out)
But - best 10 players beyond Brayshaw, Jackson and Serong
- Darcy - AA Squad, best ruck under the age of 25 in the comp
- Young - named in 22 Under 22 team last year - most commentators predicting full AA within 2-3 years
- Cox - only 24 and in AA squad last year
- Ryan - AA in 2020
- Pearce - 27, if fit one of the best three KPD in the league
- Switkowski - whether you think Champion Data is worth anything - he was rated elite as a small pressure forward last year
- Clark - named in 22 under 22 last year
- Frederick - in 22 under 22 squad last year
- Brodie - an exceptional year last year, let's see if he can back it up
- Schultz - 30 goals last year
And then throw a blanket over half a dozen youngsters who have already shown a lot of potential (and not the sort of Chesser potential that Eagles fans are hanging their hat on) - Chapman, Walker, O'Driscoll, Amiss, Treacy.
Not named Fyfe or Walters because who knows if they are still able to perform week after week. O'Meara may be - but to be honest he's not a player I've especially watched.
OK - I'll bite.
These guys have done a pretty good job of breaking down our team overall all positions - including forwards. Every AFL team's best 23 for '23: Fremantle Dockers
Clearly tall forwards is our biggest gap - but I'd argue our small forwards stack up well (Frederick, Switkowski and Schultz - plus Walters - although like Fyfe we can't base our potential on him playing well week in week out)
But - best 10 players beyond Brayshaw, Jackson and Serong
- Darcy - AA Squad, best ruck under the age of 25 in the comp
- Young - named in 22 Under 22 team last year - most commentators predicting full AA within 2-3 years
- Cox - only 24 and in AA squad last year
- Ryan - AA in 2020
- Pearce - 27, if fit one of the best three KPD in the league
- Switkowski - whether you think Champion Data is worth anything - he was rated elite as a small pressure forward last year
- Clark - named in 22 under 22 last year
- Frederick - in 22 under 22 squad last year
- Brodie - an exceptional year last year, let's see if he can back it up
- Schultz - 30 goals last year
And then throw a blanket over half a dozen youngsters who have already shown a lot of potential (and not the sort of Chesser potential that Eagles fans are hanging their hat on) - Chapman, Walker, O'Driscoll, Amiss, Treacy.
Not named Fyfe or Walters because who knows if they are still able to perform week after week. O'Meara may be - but to be honest he's not a player I've especially watched.
Maybe - but my question to you is if you’re contending in 2015 - how was your 2019 or 2020 draft?Agree with everything posted here.
Freo's small forwards are pretty good. Very quick.
And we agree the kp forwards are the weakest part of e current list.
The point I was making comparing the top 13-15 players was the Eagles are only 2-3 drafts behind where Freo currently are. In the wrong thread I do admitt.
And Freo played finals last season.
In 2025 it's not a stretch to see the Eagles finish similar to where Freo did last season. That's my point.
Your not trolling, you actually believe what you said. My apologies.Agree with everything posted here.
Freo's small forwards are pretty good. Very quick.
And we agree the kp forwards are the weakest part of e current list.
The point I was making comparing the top 13-15 players was the Eagles are only 2-3 drafts behind where Freo currently are. In the wrong thread I do admitt.
And Freo played finals last season.
In 2025 it's not a stretch to see the Eagles finish similar to where Freo did last season. That's my point.
Firstly I deliberatly compared Shuey, Gaff to Fyfe and O'Mera due to age. The point there being all four are past their best.Your not trolling, you actually believe what you said. My apologies.
Interesting that you chose this thread but what I find most interesting is that if you list your 13 (what an arbitrary number) best players (not in order), these are the ages of them today:
Gaff 30
Yeo 29
NicNat 32
Kelly 28
Shuey 32
McGovern 30
Hurn 35
Darling 30
Barrass 27
Ryan 26
Sheed 27
Allen 23
Duggan 26
By your Pearce metric, anyone 27 or older is a write-off so that leaves
Ryan
Allen
Duggan
That will be your Fyfe, Mundy, Walters "carrying" your youngsters to finals in 2 years, even though 2 of them will be 27+ and hence have their best behind them.
Who are your good young players? I assume you have penned in your last 3 first rounders as stars - fair enough, most supporters do this. So we have (with their current games played):
Chesser 0
Ginbey 0
Hewitt 0
So we have 12 of your current best 13 retired or past their best (by your definition) and 3 zero gamers taking you to the promise land in 2 years?
Fair to say I think the only people giving your post likes will be West Coast fans.
First of all, 27/28 is not typical "past your best" age. We just watched a Geelong team with an average age of 28 romp in a flag so I think its impossible to argue that point. I would say the consensus peak happens 26-31 or so. So JOM, Pearce, Yeo, Barass etc are (injury permitting) just fine for the next couple of years, possibly longer even if not at their peak.Firstly I deliberatly compared Shuey, Gaff to Fyfe and O'Mera due to age. The point there being all four are past their best.
Arrive at the promised land in 2 years? I didnt say that.
I said in 2025 Eagles will be close to where Freo is now. Contesting finals and building finals experience.
Spend 2026 and 27 moving up into top 4 contension. 2028 would be 10 years since the last flag, right on average.
Anyway wrong thread.
Of course Fyfe is past his best.I disagree that Pearce is past his best, but perhaps there are durability concerns.
JOM is a reasonable replacement for Mundy, but I agree that Walters and Fyfe are past their best, but can still turn a game. Taberner is also a concern now with his durability
I don't see them as top 4, but should make the 8 if their depth isn't tested.
Of course Fyfe is past his best.
He was the best player in the comp in 2014,2015.
Hard to reach those heights again.
A fit and hungry Fyfe can still be a top 50 player in the comp
Yet acres is judged on his first 20 game season in his 9th season not the 8 injury plagued seasons before.Not a criticism, just fact, like many players of his type and age. He has only played more than 15 games once in the last 5 years, so staying fit all year would go against the grain
Yet acres is judged on his first 20 game season in his 9th season not the 8 injury plagued seasons before.
Cool
Fremantle. Carlton are a year behind as they haven't had a finals series yet as a group but freo did this past season.
Eagles will win another flag before FFC get oneYour not trolling, you actually believe what you said. My apologies.
Interesting that you chose this thread but what I find most interesting is that if you list your 13 (what an arbitrary number) best players (not in order), these are the ages of them today:
Gaff 30
Yeo 29
NicNat 32
Kelly 28
Shuey 32
McGovern 30
Hurn 35
Darling 30
Barrass 27
Ryan 26
Sheed 27
Allen 23
Duggan 26
By your Pearce metric, anyone 27 or older is a write-off so that leaves
Ryan
Allen
Duggan
That will be your Fyfe, Mundy, Walters "carrying" your youngsters to finals in 2 years, even though 2 of them will be 27+ and hence have their best behind them.
Who are your good young players? I assume you have penned in your last 3 first rounders as stars - fair enough, most supporters do this. So we have (with their current games played):
Chesser 0
Ginbey 0
Hewitt 0
So we have 12 of your current best 13 retired or past their best (by your definition) and 3 zero gamers taking you to the promise land in 2 years?
Fair to say I think the only people giving your post likes will be West Coast fans.
Saw this comparison from Ross Lyon on Footy Classified:
On the 2020 ladder these two teams were separated by 0.6%. On game-day 4 points in an after-the-siren shot where a free kick was given to the wrong player ten metres closer to goal.
Is one team actually closer to a flag than the other, and is the margin significant?
First of all, 27/28 is not typical "past your best" age. We just watched a Geelong team with an average age of 28 romp in a flag so I think its impossible to argue that point. I would say the consensus peak happens 26-31 or so. So JOM, Pearce, Yeo, Barass etc are (injury permitting) just fine for the next couple of years, possibly longer even if not at their peak.
I think you are more likely to play finals this year than 2025. At least in 2023 you have those 13 players of whom a decent proportion will play good footy. The only one of them likely to get a lot better by 2025 is Allen and several are likely to retire or decline as they pass 31. I don't think you'll be a meaningful finals aspirant until you get ~15 young players in 40-100 games which is more like 2027.
None of the 30+ but of those I mentioned, Pearce, JOM and Barrass could output more than they have in the past. Yeo probably could too if he was ever 100% fit again. My guess is Barrass and Pearce are close to their peaks and JOM will play a similar level but the stats will be better as he is in a better team.Fyfe, Walters, Shuey and Gaff are all over 30.
I believed Pearce was over 30 but was corrected as he is 27, like Barrass. Both could have their best ahead of them.
All have played their entire careers in WA clocking up the flying hours.
Which over 30's WA club players do you think have their best footy ahead of them?
Geelong are proving just how big an advantage they have being a country based AFL club in Melbourne. Low cost of living, best of both worlds country living with a big city an hour down the road and limited travel compared to interstate teams.
Freo have ended up with pixks 3,7,8 and 9 from the 2019 draft.
Some haul.
The big unknown is whether Jackson can make it as a key fwd.
If he ends up as just a serviceable second ruxkman then they have paid way overs.