Who's yapping now?

[audas]

I don't think these games mean much. Having said that, the Tiges fielded full strength list, and I think it's fair to say their list mismanagement as now hit Crisis Point. We saw the full array of Miller gaffs on display last night. It was terrible. Where do they start to fix this mess? The first thing to do is boot Miller ASAP, and replace Terry mid season. And then a massive list clean out. The problem at Tigerland, is not only do they stuff up their draft picks, they also trade them away for average-at-best types like McMahon and Morton. It's like as though they've lost any confidence in developing their own players, which I guess is understandable given their shocking track record. The Richmond Football Club is complete disaster.

Whooa! Another choice parrot backhander.....

Gotta love em.

 

[parrot]

J.
- Cotchin..

That's the only one that would have helped. The issue wasn't the fact you lost, the issue is your list is a complete and utter disaster. It would take me 2 pages to articulate the full litany of the Miller trade/draft gaffs we saw on display last night. What a mess. Lets talk about a few of them. Cartledge and Pattison in the ruck? Are you serious. A hunched, immobile 197cm ruck, and a VFL rejected Essendon small ruck. And Jon and Oakley Nicholls are still on your list ? Why? And McMahon, doing the same soft, unaccountable things that caused the Bulldogs to boot him into the VFL. Why on Earth didn't the Tiges use that low 2nd round draft pick? You could have got a quality ruck draftee, or midfielder types. These are just tiny examples, of the huge array of Miller list-mismanagement stupidity, that keeps your Club a 28 year success-less mess without any future. Even Buckley was trying not to laugh when asked about the "Tiges Future". It's painfully obvious to anyone.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Parrot are you a lawyer? If not you should be!

 

[Astro_]

They are already eating their own on the Richmond board and we are 1 NAB cup game into the season.

 

[BlueWorld]

Just setting the record straight, out of our regulars we were missing:
- Thursfield
- Mcguane
- Edwards

As well as not having
- Coughlan
- Polo
- Cotchin

I am not using that as an excuse, we were not that good last night, but I would not say it was full strength especially when two of our main defenders were not there.

Some genuine superstars of the AFL there!

 

[murphy3]

I'll just wait till Round 1....but do have to smile at some of the posts from the tiggers....

i did smile at this one
(Talking about Oakleigh-Nicolls)

this wouldn't be so bad if we picked him up from the pound for nothing, NUMBER f*cking 8!!! send him back to be euthanised.

harsh, but kinda true

 

[mediumsizered]

Just setting the record straight, out of our regulars we were missing:
- Thursfield
- Mcguane
- Edwards

As well as not having
- Coughlan
- Polo
- Cotchin

I am not using that as an excuse, we were not that good last night, but I would not say it was full strength especially when two of our main defenders were not there.

Thursfield - has played 22 AFL games;
McGuane - 16 AFL games
Edwards - 16 AFL games
Coughlan - was a good player, but coming off 2 knee recos, this coming season will be a consolidation season, nothing more
Polo -25 AFL games
Cotchin - is no doubt a young gun, but like Marc Murphy 2 years ago, is not going to be winning games off his own boot this year.

Coughlan aside, the players you have nominated have played a total of 79 games between them. It would be very similar to Carlton supporters saying we are below full strength in the absence of players like Jamison, Bower, Blackwell, Jackson & Kruezer. They may be part of, or close to being in, your best 22, but they don't make that much difference. Richmond's deficiencies, like Carlton's of recent years, lie at the top & middle end of the list where players like Richo, Bowden, Johnson, Brown, Pettifer, Tivendale, Simmonds etc just don't do enough, or provide enough leadership.

 

[parrot]

.... players like Richo, Bowden, Johnson, Brown, Pettifer, Tivendale, Simmonds etc just don't do enough....

For a team like the Tiges who seem to be in a perpetual quarter-century "rebuilding phase" it just doesn't make any sense having so many old players in their starting 22. If they had strong people managing their Club they would:

1. Sack Miller. 1 weeks notice max
2. Sack Johnston as Captain.
3. Replace Terry at the end of the season
4. Slash the oldies down from 7 to 2 max.
5. Cut the draft pick duds. Don't waste any more time on Schulz, Meyer, Jon, Oakley Nichols, etc etc
6. Consider trading Tambling at years end, while he still has some value
7. Play Deledio in the middle, and tell him to toughen up
8. Tell Reiwoldt and Hughes to play KP forward, and put Richo in defense, because he can't kick
9. Official Policy not to trade any 3rd round picks or lower for recycled duds like McMahon
10. Improve the player development setup - better coaches/facilities
11. New initiative - Employ professional recruiters. Draft some International recruits, like many other Clubs are.
12. Ban any Terry-Failure-Spin this year.

These are tough decisions that will mean they'll move forward. But the main problem at Tigerland is off-field unfortunately. That's why nothing has changed, and their onfield situation just gets worse. You could give them 4 top-20 picks for the next 10 years, and they'll still be in the same disastrous situation. The Richmond Football Club is a complete disaster.

 

[Time to rise Blues!]

For a team like the Tiges who seem to be in a perpetual quarter-century "rebuilding phase" it just doesn't make any sense having so many old players in their starting 22. If they had strong people managing their Club they would:

1. Sack Miller. 1 weeks notice max
2. Sack Johnston as Captain.
3. Replace Terry at the end of the season
4. Slash the oldies down from 7 to 2 max.
5. Cut the draft pick duds. Don't waste any more time on Schulz, Meyer, Jon, Oakley Nichols, etc etc
6. Consider trading Tambling at years end, while he still has some value
7. Play Deledio in the middle, and tell him to toughen up
8. Tell Reiwoldt and Hughes to play KP forward, and put Richo in defense, because he can't kick
9. Official Policy not to trade any 3rd round picks or lower for recycled duds like McMahon
10. Improve the player development setup - better coaches/facilities
11. New initiative - Employ professional recruiters. Draft some International recruits, like many other Clubs are.
12. Ban any Terry-Failure-Spin this year.

These are tough decisions that will mean they'll move forward. But the main problem at Tigerland is off-field unfortunately. That's why nothing has changed, and their onfield situation just gets worse. You could give them 4 top-20 picks for the next 10 years, and they'll still be in the same disastrous situation. The Richmond Football Club is a complete disaster.

Tambling has no value now! Delist him i reckon.

 

[parrot]

Tambling has no value now! Delist him i reckon.

Disagree. Tambling has ability, but it's pretty clear that for whatever reason, he just won't progress at Tigerland. Might be best for both parties if they go their separate ways. The Tiges might be able to get a late 2nd round pick, or 3rd round pick, and Tambling will have a chance at getting his career back on track at another Club.

 

[good2bblue]

Disagree. Tambling has ability, but it's pretty clear that for whatever reason, he just won't progress at Tigerland. Might be best for both parties if they go their separate ways. The Tiges might be able to get a late 2nd round pick, or 3rd round pick, and Tambling will have a chance at getting his career back on track at another Club.

I agree with that Parrot. Could easily see him at a team like Brisbane.

 

[kouta6]

Just setting the record straight, out of our regulars we were missing:
- Thursfield
- Mcguane
- Edwards

As well as not having
- Coughlan
- Polo
- Cotchin

I am not using that as an excuse, we were not that good last night, but I would not say it was full strength especially when two of our main defenders were not there.

omg are you serious? if anything you would have lost by more if these guys played. imagime the saints had all their regulars could have been a geelong richmond game all over again

 

[The Real Deal]

Disagree. Tambling has ability, but it's pretty clear that for whatever reason, he just won't progress at Tigerland. Might be best for both parties if they go their separate ways. The Tiges might be able to get a late 2nd round pick, or 3rd round pick, and Tambling will have a chance at getting his career back on track at another Club.

Could be a similiar situation to that of Rodan. Looked average at Richmond but when he went to a decent club had a pretty good year and has turned out for a good recruit for Port. Tambling should do the same.

 

[parrot]

I agree with that Parrot. Could easily see him at a team like Brisbane.

Tambling s a classic example of a player who has ability, but whose development has been handled in the most incompetent manner imaginable. His role in the team is vague. Is he a crumbing forward? Is he a midfielder? He needs to have one solid role, get good at it, and build from thee. Eddie Betts is a fantastic comparison. Eddie's first role was as a crumbing forward. An extremely difficult one first-up at AFL level. But he did well, and developed the defensive side of his game enormously. So many opportunities arise from Eddies chases and 2nd efforts. Tambling likes to try to do the clever stuff, but these other aspects of his game are completely non-exisistant, and cost the Tiges badly. Now Eddie is moving into the middle. He spent a lot of time as a junior there, and has really responded to the opportunity, by improving his fitness base over the past few years. Last year, some of Eddies midfield work was just excellent. And his potential there is enormous. So with Eddie we have a talented player with the right attitude, and is being developed the right way, and progressing nicely. Tambling, by contrast, seems to haev stagnated or even gone backwards over the past few years. His "bag have tricks" is extremely limited, and consistent of kicking an occasional clever goal if the defenders lose concentration and let him get on his own in the forward 50. Other than that, he's a liability in fact. He needs a new environment badly.

 

[parrot]

Could be a similiar situation to that of Rodan. Looked average at Richmond but when he went to a decent club had a pretty good year and has turned out for a good recruit for Port. Tambling should do the same.

Absolutely. In fact, Port are great at getting the very best out of players with middle-of-the-road ability like Roden. There are manner other Clubs that could do the same. There is something very very wrong with the player development environment at Tigerland. Perhaps this is why we saw an amazing number of players do everything possible to avoid going to the Tiges via the PSD. Remember Judd refused to even speak with Miller. This all suggest that the Tiges terrible player development record is well known.

 

[BlueMania]

Tambling did nothing last night and probably should try to escape at the end of the year . To think richmond supporters think foley is as good as kerr astounds me , what did he do last night ... did he play ?

 

[parrot]

Tambling did nothing last night and probably should try to escape at the end of the year . To think richmond supporters think foley is as good as kerr astounds me , what did he do last night ... did he play ?

Foley obviously progressed well last year, but he'll never be a class act. The reason the Tiges supporters talk him up so much, is because the rest of their midfield is so bad e.g. Tivendale, Newman, Johnston, Polo etc.

 

[BlueMania]

Foley obviously progressed well last year, but he'll never be a class act. The reason the Tiges supporters talk him up so much, is because the rest of their midfield is so bad e.g. Tivendale, Newman, Johnston, Polo etc.

Was more interested in the cricket last night and switched between the two stations . I heard newman get some touches but hardly a midfield containing household names and to see what richmond posters are writing about johnson is amazing .


Even if we lose against port tonight , don't take it so hard Blues folk ! We don't need to stoop to such lows as the richmond supporters . Premiership points , after all , are what is important .

 

[HBF]

I have noticed the Richmond supporters have gone quiet tonight! It seems they have shown they have made no progress over the pre-season, gone backwards IMO.

Wouldn't you be quiet if your team dished up what they did last night. Bloody terrible performance.

 

[Jisha]

Thursfield - has played 22 AFL games;
McGuane - 16 AFL games
Edwards - 16 AFL games
Coughlan - was a good player, but coming off 2 knee recos, this coming season will be a consolidation season, nothing more
Polo -25 AFL games
Cotchin - is no doubt a young gun, but like Marc Murphy 2 years ago, is not going to be winning games off his own boot this year.

Coughlan aside, the players you have nominated have played a total of 79 games between them. It would be very similar to Carlton supporters saying we are below full strength in the absence of players like Jamison, Bower, Blackwell, Jackson & Kruezer. They may be part of, or close to being in, your best 22, but they don't make that much difference. Richmond's deficiencies, like Carlton's of recent years, lie at the top & middle end of the list where players like Richo, Bowden, Johnson, Brown, Pettifer, Tivendale, Simmonds etc just don't do enough, or provide enough leadership.

I said they were the regulars, which last year, they were regulars. Did I say they were superstars? Did I say they had all played 100+ games? No. I said they were regulars that did not play, and I am correct with the call.

 

[borissey]

Most Carlton fans knew in 2004 that picking up retreads and you aint going to go very far. At the time Richmond and Carlton were doing a lot of it, Crows as well.

Just watching last night made me think of how many picks both Clubs had given up for questionable value. I dont think either Club is going to be a risk hitting the Top 4 for a long long time.

 

[BlueMania]

Most Carlton fans knew in 2004 that picking up retreads and you aint going to go very far. At the time Richmond and Carlton were doing a lot of it, Crows as well.

Just watching last night made me think of how many picks both Clubs had given up for questionable value. I dont think either Club is going to be a risk hitting the Top 4 for a long long time.

At least we'll get there long before richmond will and we'll make the most of it IMO . We are heading in the right direction while richmond need to rethink their recruiting/list management stategies , especially considering some of the retirements coming up in the near future for them .
Things must be bad at 'shit truck' tiger land when richo stops a saints goal right on the line before making his way back to ff to convert a goal for his team . They were undermanned in the back half i know , but surely the ff shouldn't be required to help out at both ends . Are things really that bad for the tiges ?

 

[mjonc]

Just setting the record straight, out of our regulars we were missing:
- Thursfield
- Mcguane
- Edwards

As well as not having
- Coughlan
- Polo
- Cotchin

I am not using that as an excuse, we were not that good last night, but I would not say it was full strength especially when two of our main defenders were not there.

 

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

5. Cut the draft pick duds. Don't waste any more time on Schulz, Meyer, Jon, Oakley Nichols, etc etc

You've said this twice now - referred to "jon" and "oakley nichols" as 2 different people? Who is "Jon"? Because I thought it stood for Jarred Oakley Nichols?

 

[jj1978]

I don't want to be knocking Richmond too much:

a) my wife is a Tigers supporters so I don't want something cut off whilst I'm asleep.

b) we've not been great ourselves for 6 years.

But in saying all that... at least in our past 6 pathetic years when we've played a close to full strength team in the pre-season cup we've done alright!