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Sweet Jesus

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my answer to your last question is yes. Land rights based on ancestory should not exist. Its the same as inheritance. Discrimination in the access to resources based on bloodlines.
If Kanye West leaves $1 billion to his kids, would that be racist?

I suppose you think the government should take all his assets instead. That would be more just?

All your wealth is just rented. It ultimately belongs to the state. Right?

Is sending your kids to a private school also racist?
 
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<<<<Western Australia
Kimberley region – The Killing Times – 1890–1920: The massacres listed below have been depicted in modern Australian Aboriginal art from the Warmun/Turkey Creek community who were members of the tribes affected. Oral histories of the massacres were passed down and artists such as Rover Thomashave depicted the massacres.

1910sEdit
  • 1906-7 Canning Stock Route: an unrecorded number of Aboriginal men and women were raped and massacred when Mardu people were captured and tortured to serve as "guides" and reveal the sources of water in the area after being run down by men on horseback, restrained by heavy chains 24 hours a day, and tied to trees at night. In retaliation for this treatment, plus the party's interference with traditional wells and the theft of cultural artefacts, Aboriginal people destroyed some of Canning's wells, and stole from and occasionally killed white travellers. A Royal Commission in 1908, exonerated Canning, after an appearance by Kimberley Explorer and Lord Mayor of Perth, Alexander Forrest claimed that all explorers had acted in such a fashion.[169]
  • 1915 Mistake Creek Massacre: In March 1915, Michael Rhatigan, a telegraph linesman based at Turkey Creek, together with his two Aboriginal employees, Joe Wynne and Nipper, shot dead twelve Kija people at Mistake Creek in the East Kimberley. They initially rushed an Aboriginal camp killing six men, burning their remains. Six women were later rounded up and shot dead. A police squad was sent to track down and capture Rhatigan and his accomplices.[170] Rhatigan and Nipper were arrested while Wynne was shot dead by police. A coroner's inquest held at Turkey Creek acquitted Rhatigan of any wrongdoing, while Nipper was ordered to face trial for the murder of eight people.[171] Nipper was found not guilty and was released. He later worked at the police stables in Perth. According to local Aboriginal oral history, the massacre was in reprisal for the killing of Rhatigan's cow; the cow was later claimed to have been found alive after the massacre had already taken place.[172] Members of the Gija people, from the Warmun (Turkey Creek) community have depicted the massacre in their artworks.[173] Michael Rhatigan remained a telegraph linesman at Turkey Creek until his death in 1920.[174] His son, John Rhatigan, became a long serving Labor Party politician in the Western Australian Legislative Assembly.[citation needed] A painting by renowned Indigenous artist Queenie McKenzie depicting the massacre was bought by the National Museum of Australia in 2005, but due to controversy over the facts of the event, part of the History Wars, it had never been hung. From July 2020 it was put on display as part of a new exhibition titled "Talking Blak to History" at the Museum.[175]
1920sEdit
  • 1922 Sturt Creek massacre: of more than a dozen people occurred in October 1922 when policemen were sent out to investigate the murders of two white stockmen, Joseph Condren and Tim O'Sullivan,[176] at Billiluna Station. For many years the only record of the massacre was the oral histories of local Aboriginal elders who described the police shooting a group of Aboriginal people near Sturt Creek, but forensic evidence has confirmed the deaths.[177][178][179]
  • 1924 Bedford Downs massacre: a group of Gija and Worla men were tried in Wyndham for spearing a milking cow on the Bedford Downs Station. When released from the court they were given dog tags to wear and told to walk the 200 kilometres back to Bedford Downs. On arrival they were set to work to cut the wood that was later used to burn their bodies. Once the work was finished they were fed food laced with strychnine by white station hands and their writhing bodies were then either shot or they were clubbed to death. The bodies were subsequently burned by the local police.[180] This massacre has been depicted in artworks by members of the Gija tribe, the identities of the alleged perpetrators passed down and the events re-enacted in a traditional corroboree that has been performed since the massacre allegedly occurred.[181] The accounts became widely known after oral histories collected for the 1989 East Kimberley Impact Assessment Project (EKIAP) were published in 1999. As is customary for Indigenous reports, the EKIAP did not name anyone who was dead. Moran was unaware that several of the original written accounts did name not only the eyewitnesses and survivors but also the killers and other whites who were present but did not participate.[182]
  • June 1926. Forrest River massacre: Western Australian police constables, James Graham St Jack and Dennis Hastings Regan led a month long punitive expedition against Aboriginal people living in the Forrest River region. After the local mission station reported around 30 people missing, a police investigation was organised. This investigation found that at least 16 Aboriginal people were killed and their remains burnt in three purpose-built stone ovens. The police investigation led to a Royal Commission the following year. During the proceedings of this commission, the suggestion of the evidence of a native being equal to that of a white man was openly mocked.[183] Despite this overt attempt to protect the perpetrators, the Commissioner still found that somewhere between 11 and 20 people were killed and St Jack and Regan were subsequently arrested for murder.[184] Instead of going to trial, the men were brought before police magistrate Kidson who, in spite of the findings of the two previous investigations, deemed that the evidence was insufficient to go before a jury.[185]Regan and St Jack were released and the Premier, Philip Collier, even re-instated them to their previous positions in the Kimberley.[186]
QueenslandEdit
1910sEdit
  • 1918 Bentinck Island: Part of the Wellesley Islandsgroup, which includes Mornington Island, Bentinck Island was home to the Kaiadilt clan of just over 100 people. In 1911, a man by the name of McKenzie (other names unknown) was given a government lease for nearby Sweers Island that also covered the eastern portion of the much larger Bentinck Island. Arriving on Bentinck with an Aboriginal woman plus a flock of sheep, he built a hut near the Kurumbali estuary. Although the Kaiadilt avoided contact and refrained from approaching McKenzie's property he is alleged to have often explored the island, shooting any males he found while raping the women. In 1918, McKenzie organised a hunt with an unknown number of settlers from the mainland and, beginning from the northern tip of the island, herded the Indigenous inhabitants to the beach on its southern shore. The majority of the Kaiadilt fled into the sea where those that were not shot from the shore drowned. Those that tried to escape along the beach were hunted down and shot, with the exception of a small number who reached nearby mangroves where the settlers' horses could not follow. Several young women were raped on the beach, then held prisoner in McKenzie's hut for three days before being released. As the Kaiadilt remained isolated throughout much of the 20th century, the massacre remained unknown to the authorities until researchers recorded accounts given by survivors in the 1980s.[187]
Northern TerritoryEdit
1920sEdit
  • 1928 Coniston massacre: In August 1928, a Northern Territory Police constable, William George Murray, was ordered to investigate the killing of a white man named Fred Brooks by several Aboriginal people at a waterhole to the west of Coniston cattle station. Murray led a series of punitive expeditionsfrom August until October 1928 which officially resulted in the deaths of 31 mostly Warlpiri and Kaytetye people. Other men who participated with Murray in the mass killings included local landholders William "Nugget" Morton and Randall Stafford; cattlemen John Saxby, William Briscoe and Alex Wilson; and three Aboriginal trackers who went by the names of Paddy, Dodger and Major. Analysis of the existing documentation and surviving Aboriginal testimonies indicate that somewhere between 100 and 200 people were shot dead during this police operation, a number far higher than the official bodycount.[188] Murray later escorted two Aboriginal prisoners to Darwin to face trial for the killing of Fred Brooks. At this trial Murray freely gave evidence to the presiding judge that he shot a large number of Aboriginals during the operation, that he shot to kill and shot dead wounded men and women. The judge noted that Murray "mowed them down wholesale." Murray's admissions in court led to widespread publicity about the massacres and a governmental Board of Enquiry was set up to investigate the incident.[189] The Board of Enquiry was a whitewash set up to protect the colonial system in the Northern Territory and it found that the shootings were justified. No charges were laid against any of the perpetrators and Murray continued to serve in the Northern Territory Police until the 1940s.[188] A survivor of the massacre, Billy Stockman Tjapaltjarri, later became part of the first generation of Papunya painting men. Billy Stockman was saved by his mother, who put him in a coolamon.[190]>>>
Can't believe every single "Word of mouth passed down through the generations", not all of them are truthful, some may be exaggerated. Obviously white people killed aboriginals over the past 100 years, does that mean no one can ever move on from 300 year old crimes? Or is one white person killing 2 aboriginals 110 years ago reason for an entire race to not move on?

I hardly think one man murdering another over a property dispute (EXTREMELY common for the time) can be called a racial massacre..
 

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If Kanye West leaves $1 billion to his kids, would that be racist?

I suppose you think the government should take all his assets instead. That would be more just?

All your wealth is just rented. It ultimately belongs to the state. Right?

Is sending your kids to a private school also racist?
Not if he chucked a coupla mill at me

that would smooth it out
 

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Can't believe every single "Word of mouth passed down through the generations", not all of them are truthful, some may be exaggerated. Obviously white people killed aboriginals over the past 100 years, does that mean no one can ever move on from 300 year old crimes? Or is one white person killing 2 aboriginals 110 years ago reason for an entire race to not move on?

I hardly think one man murdering another over a property dispute (EXTREMELY common for the time) can be called a racial massacre..
Dont think you did anything more than skim read it


1928 is 92 years ago 1-200 people were murdered - thats a story your gran and grandad tell you from their lifetime.

<<<<Analysis of the existing documentation and surviving Aboriginal testimonies indicate that somewhere between 100 and 200 people were shot dead during this police operation, a number far higher than the official bodycount.[188] Murray later escorted two Aboriginal prisoners to Darwin to face trial for the killing of Fred Brooks. At this trial Murray freely gave evidence to the presiding judge that he shot a large number of Aboriginals during the operation, that he shot to kill and shot dead wounded men and women. The judge noted that Murray "mowed them down wholesale." Murray's admissions in court led to widespread publicity about the massacres and a governmental Board of Enquiry was set up to investigate the incident.[189] The Board of Enquiry was a whitewash set up to protect the colonial system in the Northern Territory and it found that the shootings were justified. No charges were laid against any of the perpetrators and Murray continued to serve in the Northern Territory Police until the 1940s
 

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Did you not read the post? You're bordering on ignorant behaviour

Please explain where I stole the country from the Aboriginals. Where and when did I do that?

I clearly CLEARLY stated that I'm more than happy to shoulder some responsibility for reconciliation going forward.

I clearly CLEARLY stated that I had zero to do with what happened nearly 250 f*n years ago.

Yet you keep accusing all and sundry of that, adding mayo claiming I'm pathetic. Don't be so f*n ignorant and deflective

What's it going to take to get it through your thick head that anyone alive today had nothing do with what happened back then?
When are you going to get it through your thick head i never said you had anything to do with what happened back then but we , as Australians are responsible for atoning for the misjustices suffered by the aboriginal culture.
 

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When are you going to get it through your thick head i never said you had anything to do with what happened back then but we , as Australians are responsible for atoning for the misjustices suffered by the aboriginal culture.
So this is what you mean by never said it, righto. Looks like you're accusing a whole population to me, but no you never said it because I'm not part of the 'we'. Who else is not part of the 'we'? I thought you were the inclusive type.

You will Say anything to justify your hatred, it eats away at you .

It’s simple , we stole their land . Raped and murdered them and now you say they have nothing to complain about.
Your a sad soul.
We as Australian citizens
They as aboriginals.

its quite easy if you try.

Does not matter if it was the Poms , French , Dutch. When the aboriginals were displaced and brutalised this in itself warrants recompense.

Just because you want to right it off as an historic act which also happened elsewhere in the world does not diminish the need to put things right.
 

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So this is what you mean by never said it, righto. Looks like you're accusing a whole population to me, but no you never said it because I'm not part of the 'we'. Who else is not part of the 'we'? I thought you were the inclusive type.
Move on, you are looking like a racist fool playing with semantics to justify your cause.
 

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So this is what you mean by never said it, righto. Looks like you're accusing a whole population to me, but no you never said it because I'm not part of the 'we'. Who else is not part of the 'we'? I thought you were the inclusive type.
Ah, now I see.
Your from that racist club.
The bar is lots lower there hey??
 

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Move on, you are looking like a racist fool playing with semantics to justify your cause.
Ah, now I see.
Your from that racist club.
The bar is lots lower there hey??
And how do yo come to the conclusion that I'm a racist from me exposing your lying? So now you're saying that all of us Collingwood supporters are racists? You'll include me in that lot right? But not part of the 'we' you refer to. Got it.

You do realize that is defamation and I can report you for that right?

Or is this some sort of kindergarten level deflection, in an attempt to insult my intelligence?

I don't take accusations of being a murderer, rapist and a land thief f*n lightly sunshine and has nothing to do with my 'cause', I don't have a f*n cause.

Suggest you tread lightly from here.
 

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And how do yo come to the conclusion that I'm a racist from me exposing your lying? So now you're saying that all of us Collingwood supporters are racists? You'll include me in that lot right? But not part of the 'we' you refer to. Got it.

You do realize that is defamation and I can report you for that right?
Report him for defamation. That's gold.
 

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And how do yo come to the conclusion that I'm a racist from me exposing your lying? So now you're saying that all of us Collingwood supporters are racists? You'll include me in that lot right? But not part of the 'we' you refer to. Got it.

You do realize that is defamation and I can report you for that right?

Or is this some sort of kindergarten level deflection, in an attempt to insult my intelligence?

I don't take accusations of being a murderer, rapist and a land thief f*n lightly sunshine and has nothing to do with my 'cause', I don't have a f*n cause.

Suggest you tread lightly from here.
Or people could just do a search on your posting
 

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And how do yo come to the conclusion that I'm a racist from me exposing your lying? So now you're saying that all of us Collingwood supporters are racists? You'll include me in that lot right? But not part of the 'we' you refer to. Got it.

You do realize that is defamation and I can report you for that right?

Or is this some sort of kindergarten level deflection, in an attempt to insult my intelligence?

I don't take accusations of being a murderer, rapist and a land thief f*n lightly sunshine and has nothing to do with my 'cause', I don't have a f*n cause.

Suggest you tread lightly from here.
Hahaha.
A guy who is denying Australia‘s responsibilities for past atrocities to aboriginals is now telling me to tread lightly??

haha, is your uncle a QC. :tearsofjoy: :tearsofjoy:
 

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When are you going to get it through your thick head i never said you had anything to do with what happened back then but we , as Australians are responsible for atoning for the misjustices suffered by the aboriginal culture.
Let's break that down.

A culture can't suffer 'misjustices '. Only people can. Most of those who have ancestry back to those people also have European ancestry. Are the same people claiming to be victims also claiming to be perpetrators?

All current Australians arrived here or were born here many decades after the events in question. Australians share no responsibility for any previous events.
 

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