Opinion Why Adam Goodes is booed and other anthropological discussion

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I remember being at a midnight oil concert years ago and getting offended at Peter Garrett laying blame for past atrocities on current generations.
As I got older I realised it wasn't all about "me".
 
PatientMental said:
I don't like when people lay blame on living people for what their ancestors did. Ancestors so removed from them that their nearest offspring died hundreds of years ago.

There are wars still going on in the world specifically based on race, religion, and politics, from decisions of dead people.

Humans are so dumb.
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Where do you draw the line? The Middle East is still desperately clinging to real and imagined faults dating back over 2000 years. And clinging to those are a big contributing factor in the region being a shithole.

A good contrast is how Australia treats Japan, IMO. Those responsible for the atrocious conditions of the POW camps and war crimes were rightly reviled, but as a nation we don't desperately cling to our unfortunate history with them. And because of it we now have a great relationship with the country. You can bet that wouldn't be if we latched onto hatred / envy / sullenness instead of forgiving and moving on.
 
Andre said:
Where do you draw the line? The Middle East is still desperately clinging to real and imagined faults dating back over 2000 years. And clinging to those are a big contributing factor in the region being a shithole.

A good contrast is how Australia treats Japan, IMO. Those responsible for the atrocious conditions of the POW camps and war crimes were rightly reviled, but as a nation we don't desperately cling to our unfortunate history with them. And because of it we now have a great relationship with the country. You can bet that wouldn't be if we latched onto hatred / envy / sullenness instead of forgiving and moving on.
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Well said mate
 

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Andre said:
Where do you draw the line? The Middle East is still desperately clinging to real and imagined faults dating back over 2000 years. And clinging to those are a big contributing factor in the region being a shithole.
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The main thing being a contributing factor here is that both sides have been awful to each other for a prolonged period, which is what muddies the issue.

What has Aboriginal Australia really done to the incomers? We (white-ish Australia) are the constant aggressors.

A good contrast is how Australia treats Japan, IMO. Those responsible for the atrocious conditions of the POW camps and war crimes were rightly reviled, but as a nation we don't desperately cling to our unfortunate history with them. And because of it we now have a great relationship with the country. You can bet that wouldn't be if we latched onto hatred / envy / sullenness instead of forgiving and moving on.
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Terrible comparison. Japan never touched Australian soil, and every soldier that came home from the war actually got to come home, not then have the Japanese come along and * them off to the next location, or be treated like scum in their own country. The mistreatment is not ending, unlike Japan/Aus

Money was the main (only) thing that forced Australia to repair relations with Japan, explicitly against the wishes of guys like my grandfather who got ****ed up by the Japanese. But we have already dispossessed Aboriginal people of their resources, so there's no economic leverage for them to be treated like equals.
 
I'm not too sure how the Japanese got a gig in a thread about Adam Goodes, but if the later generations need some idea how much they were reviled by older Aussies, have a listen to Rodney Rude's Japs and Stuff on you tube, he doesn't hold back. ;)
 
And the saga still goes on

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...7e7c04d6bf6bfadf3b6515cc4#load-story-comments

THE Sydney Swans will block Collingwood fans from booing Adam Goodes one final time by not staging his farewell lap of honour in their round one home match against the Magpies.

Instead of a potentially controversial tribute at ANZ Stadium, fans will get the chance to thank Goodes for his contribution to the club during the Round 3 match against GWS at the SCG.

Collingwood have the AFL’s biggest travelling group of supporters and were among the loudest in booing Goodes.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...7e7c04d6bf6bfadf3b6515cc4#load-story-comments
 
Noticed the backlash already. Apparently by doing this he's bringing the booing on himself. No, he's doing it to avoid bringing more attention and a sideshow, because the dumbarse public refuses not to be arseholes for a minute. Same with why he didn't go around on Grand Final day.
 
Portsmeff said:
something Ive noticed about the people who hate and boo Adam Goodes with a passion, they seem to be staunch Liberal Party voting redneck conservatives. He appears to have done a few things that the conservatives hate, so I say good on you for that Adam
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racist much .... Liberals = rednecks ... Nice.
 
Garibaldi Red said:
And the saga still goes on

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...7e7c04d6bf6bfadf3b6515cc4#load-story-comments

THE Sydney Swans will block Collingwood fans from booing Adam Goodes one final time by not staging his farewell lap of honour in their round one home match against the Magpies.

Instead of a potentially controversial tribute at ANZ Stadium, fans will get the chance to thank Goodes for his contribution to the club during the Round 3 match against GWS at the SCG.

Collingwood have the AFL’s biggest travelling group of supporters and were among the loudest in booing Goodes.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...7e7c04d6bf6bfadf3b6515cc4#load-story-comments
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It makes sense, as GWS doesn't have any fans, so it is guaranteed to be 100% positive.
 

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StrappingTape said:
Well Gil wants to make him an AFL commissioner because he's Aboriginal.
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And he has a decorated career that stands above nearly all others in the game. And he's done significant work in the community. And because Aboriginals are underrespresented in AFL administraton despite their huge contribution on field and there's an excellent recently retired candidate right in front of them.

Once again, how is he using his race to get "special benefits"?
 
Dylan8 said:
And he has a decorated career that stands above nearly all others in the game. And he's done significant work in the community. And because Aboriginals are underrespresented in AFL administraton despite their huge contribution on field and there's an excellent recently retired candidate right in front of them.

Once again, how is he using his race to get "special benefits"?
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So have a lot of other footballers but ability isn't coming into that decision, Gils own words are because he wants an Aboriginal commissioner. Michael Long got judged on ability not race, if you put both together, Longy is far away infront in terms of what you have there as his qualifications and he wasn't good enough.
 
StrappingTape said:
So have a lot of other footballers but ability isn't coming into that decision, Gils own words are because he wants an Aboriginal commissioner. Michael Long got judged on ability not race, if you put both together, Longy is far away infront in terms of what you have there as his qualifications and he wasn't good enough.
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Why wasn't Long good enough? It was unfortunate that he wasn't selected. I don't think he's less qualified than anyone else on the commission.

Why is Gil saying he wants an Aboriginal commissioner a negative thing? It's not as if he's out to pluck some dud from nowhere because they're aboriginal over the qualified white alternative. It's important to have representation from past Aboriginal players in AFL admininistration because Aboriginals are incredibly important to our game. If there are candidates good enough out there (hint: there is) there's no reason they shouldn't be appointed.
 
Adam Goodes is getting offered the position because he is Aboriginal.
This is a good thing.
Deal with it.
 
I dunno, could have just said "Adam Goodes lap of honour will take place in round 3" without firing shots at Collingwood and bringing the booing back to the front.
 
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