Opinion Why are the interstate teams so bad? How do we fix them?

[philthy05]

You still can't point out the array of priority picks we've had. Trengove has been the only priority picko and that was 12 years ago. We've made plenty of mistakes with regular picks but we haven't benefited anymore than anyone else. This team really comes from the 2014 draft onwards with Viney and Gawn the only players beforehand, Anything else before 2014 is irrelevant.

A) Trengove is not the only priority pick melb have received

B) you’ve had draft pick assistance in recent history. Don’t pretend that it isn’t an advantage. That’s a load of bullshit.

You guys won a cup. Enjoy, celebrate, but don’t wash your history and pretend you didn’t have a *load of help getting up off the floor. Trengove helped turn your club around. Paul Roos being funded by the afl helped turn your club around. The afl paying your tanking fine (which in itself was a massive let off) saved your club from more pain.

Trengove has been the only priority picko and that was 12 years ago.

List of melb priority pick selections

Priority draft pick - Wikipedia

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Travis Johnstone
Colin Sylvia
Tom Scully

You’ve had the most priority picks of any team In the league (equal first with Carlton)

How do you not even know your own history

 

[mrmonkey]

A) Trengove is not the only priority pick melb have received

B) you’ve had draft pick assistance in recent history. Don’t pretend that it isn’t an advantage. That’s a load of bullshit.

You guys won a cup. Enjoy, celebrate, but don’t wash your history and pretend you didn’t have a fu**load of help getting up off the floor. Trengove helped turn your club around. Paul Roos being funded by the afl helped turn your club around. The afl paying your tanking fine (which in itself was a massive let off) saved your club from more pain.




List of melb priority pick selections

Priority draft pick - Wikipedia

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Travis Johnstone
Colin Sylvia
Tom Scully

You’ve had the most priority picks of any team In the league (equal first with Carlton)

How do you not even know your own history

What draft benefits have we had recently? Examples please

 

[philthy05]

What draft benefits have we had recently? Examples please

I went over it above. You want to pretend it didn’t happen go ahead but don’t expect us to pretend that none of the measures that the afl took to help you made a difference. They did. There’s no shame in it. It wasn’t a dirty secret.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

The Dees deserve their premiership. Let’s not try take that away or diminish it. Clearly the best team and they traded and drafted excellently to get there. Now the struggle will be keeping all their players as they look to add another 1 or 2 premierships

 

[mrmonkey]

I went over it above. You want to pretend it didn’t happen go ahead but don’t expect us to pretend that none of the measures that the afl took to help you made a difference. They did. There’s no shame in it. It wasn’t a dirty secret.

So your examples of recently benefiting from the draft is tom Scully, Colin Sylvia and Travis Johnstone. 12 years ago, 18 years ago and 24 years ago.

 

[theyellowsash]

I went over it above. You want to pretend it didn’t happen go ahead but don’t expect us to pretend that none of the measures that the afl took to help you made a difference. They did. There’s no shame in it. It wasn’t a dirty secret.

you just listed 3 players of which only 1 was any good, and none have been at the club for 7 years. your 'argument' is worthless.

 

[philthy05]

So your examples of recently benefiting from the draft is tom Scully, Colin Sylvia and Travis Johnstone. 12 years ago, 18 years ago and 24 years ago.

you just listed 3 players of which only 1 was any good, and none have been at the club for 7 years. your 'argument' is worthless.

A) The poster said they haven’t benefited from priority picks

B) the poster claimed they only have received 1 priority pick

They benefited from getting Scully and Trengove. It helped them get to where they are now.

And they have had more priority picks than anyone in the league bar Carlton, so the poster was factually incorrect.

 

[theyellowsash]

A) The poster said they haven’t benefited from priority picks

B) the poster claimed they only have received 1 priority pick

They benefited from getting Scully and Trengove. It helped them get to where they are now.

And they have had more priority picks than anyone in the league bar Carlton, so the poster was factually incorrect.

what, they benefitted because those players were so s**t they spent another 7 years getting high draft picks?

you might as well claim that your club benefitted because those players were so s**t you were only competing against 17 instead of 18 clubs.

 

[cactuscall]

Would be the AFLs wet dream for GWS or GC to win a flag

Maybe as in pissing their pants out of pure terror yeah.

 

[Generation X]

Travis Johnstone
Colin Sylvia
Tom Scully

You’ve had the most priority picks of any team In the league (equal first with Carlton)

How do you not even know your own history

Is it just me or is it incredibly tasteless to mention Colin Sylvia?

 

[doppleganger]

A) The poster said they haven’t benefited from priority picks

B) the poster claimed they only have received 1 priority pick

They benefited from getting Scully and Trengove. It helped them get to where they are now.

And they have had more priority picks than anyone in the league bar Carlton, so the poster was factually incorrect.

LoL

How did Scully or Trengove help them in 2021?
Let alone Sylvia (RIP).

Is your argument that if you are s**t 15-20 years ago, that it counts?

Dees also missed out on the G home ground d advantage and won everywhere, just like Richmond did....Melbourne MCG tenants have better GF records away from the G!!

 

[philthy05]

LoL

How did Scully or Trengove help them in 2021?
Let alone Sylvia (RIP).

A) those players helped the club when it was a massive shitshow.
B) the poster claimed melb only ever received 1 priority pick, I named those players to corrrect him.

 

[doppleganger]

A) those players helped the club when it was a massive shitshow.
B) the poster claimed melb only ever received 1 priority pick, I named those players to corrrect him.

Dees were a shitshow in the mid 2000s, were woeful in the late 2000s, picked up Watts, Scully,Trengove, Morton etc and them hit rock bottom in 2013 with just 2 wins and a % of 50.

Those players you keep referring to were reason why the Dees hit rock bottom, they didn't help Melbourne do anything.

 

[Blue1980]

Maybe as in pissing their pants out of pure terror yeah.

Why would they not want them to win? Makes no sense.

Do you think there is a conspiracy theory that only Vic sides win flags?

 

[charcolechaddy]

We need a pissant town tax.

kids don’t want to live in Adelaide so it’s hard to get SA top end talent home. We should get first dig at SA kids in the draft.

 

[Blue1980]

We need a pissant town tax.

kids don’t want to live in Adelaide so it’s hard to get SA top end talent home. We should get first dig at SA kids in the draft.

Basically change everything until every club is winning a flag every 18 years on a rotational basis

 

[LoungeLizard]

Basically change everything until every club is winning a flag every 18 years on a rotational basis

You think that will shut people up, I can promise you, it may shut some up, but there will be others from over west that still would not be happy.

No Vic flags would make them happy sure, but they would still whinge.

 

[Tap Tap Tapperoo]

Adelaide getting Darren Burgess due to the go home factor. Huge get for the Crows.

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

I think it just shows it more difficult to develop players in a losing culture. Once you have that culture within your club it's hard to get rid of.

Just back on topic Of this thread did anyone hear Matthew Lloyds comments regarding Ben king? This is why it's so hard for interstate clubs, Lloydy who is a mentor to both king's, comes out publicly declaring Ben king should go to the bombers next year. You'd never hear him say that a player with a year on their contract should head up to gold coast.

Dees were a shitshow in the mid 2000s, were woeful in the late 2000s, picked up Watts, Scully,Trengove, Morton etc and them hit rock bottom in 2013 with just 2 wins and a % of 50.

Those players you keep referring to were reason why the Dees hit rock bottom, they didn't help Melbourne do anything.

 

[Soggy2112]

Just back on topic Of this thread did anyone hear Matthew Lloyds comments regarding Ben king? This is why it's so hard for interstate clubs, Lloydy who is a mentor to both king's, comes out publicly declaring Ben king should go to the bombers next year. You'd never hear him say that a player with a year on their contract should head up to gold coast.

Rival clubs aren’t allowed to approach contracted opposition players aren’t they?

What did he actually say? Because if I was the AFL I’d be concerned about an Essendon life member mentoring an opposition player and openly advising him to move on on your club. I know he’s not officially involved in the club but it just feels dicey to me.

 

[1990crow]

The Frawley pick 3 compensation (Angus Brayshaw

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Angus Brayshaw

Age

28

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188cm

Wt

90kg

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D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

4.3

5star

MG

233.5

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

7.8

4star

M

2.0

2star

T

3.2

4star

MG

233.5

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

8.2

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3.2

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

5.6

5star

) doesn't pass the pub sniff test.
Classic Victorian assistance.

 

[garbo]

The Frawley pick 3 compensation (Angus Brayshaw) doesn't pass the pub sniff test.
Classic Victorian assistance.

That’s how compensation works, the band 1
was based on Frawley’s age, contract terms and prior performance. Depending on where dees finished in that year that in turn could have resulted in anything from pick 2 through to pick 19 as it’s a pick after your first pick. sure it benefits a team who finishes lower but that is by design you don’t want already bad teams loosing what decent talent they have more for nothing. If dees loose Oliver in the next few years after reaching free agent status we will only get pick 19 if we finished first that year, in the end it will balance out. You might as well complain the draft is unfairly rewarding the lower teams

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

When frawley went the AFL had a secret formula, which was to give the Dee's a high pick, there's no way he was on big cash at hawthorn, he would have been similar to crouch at the saints, remember the Hawks had a heap of guns, they wouldn't have frawley come in on more

That’s how compensation works, the band 1
was based on Frawley’s age, contract terms and prior performance. Depending on where dees finished in that year that in turn could have resulted in anything from pick 2 through to pick 19 as it’s a pick after your first pick. sure it benefits a team who finishes lower but that is by design you don’t want already bad teams loosing what decent talent they have more for nothing. If dees loose Oliver in the next few years after reaching free agent status we will only get pick 19 if we finished first that year, in the end it will balance out. You might as well complain the draft is unfairly rewarding the lower teams

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

I don't think 15 premierships is really enough to draw a conclusion that there is a systemic problem with interstate teams. It's also skewed by the rather obvious fact that playing the grandfinal at the MCG 13/15 years is a clear advantage to Victorian teams.

So I looked at the last 20 preliminary finalists instead. For the 80 teams that have played off in a prelim since 2002 the averages are:

Vic teams: 4.5 appearances
Non-Vic teams: 4.375 appearances

That is without any weighting for GWS and GC who were absent for about half those years. Weighting for that (but not the fact that they were obviously going to be s**t in their early years) the Non-Vic average goes up to 4.96.

Carlton, Essendon and Gold Coast are the only teams not to have made a prelim in that time. Every other team has made at least three, with Geelong (12), Collingwood (9) and Port Adelaide (8) the leaders.

 

[Dr Tigris]

Basically change everything until every club is winning a flag every 18 years on a rotational basis

Don't say it out loud. The AFL may be listening.