Society/Culture Why Australia needs to lower its immigration intake

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Let's stay on topic from here.
 
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Seeds if you don't have boarders you don't have a country, we live in a world made up of countries so boarders are a fundamental part of this world. Countries are than free to protect those boarders as they see fit .

Your idea of globalist society is far left wing fairy-tale.
In our current world Im for borders. As long as we have different religions and political ideologies then we must have borders. However, that doesnt change the fact that borders are technically violations of human rights. I have no problem with some violations of human rights as to me human rights are just a means to an end. If murdering 10 innocent people would save a million then sign me up to be an executioner. But if you believe human rights are an end in itself, then you have to believe borders are violation of human rights and are wrong.

If the world is to survive it is headed towards a single world order. Technology means this is the only future where humans survive. We either work together or blow ourselves up. You say its a fantasy but so was the idea of countries in the past when we only had kingdoms. Yet there are basically no kingdoms left and only countries now. This occurred because new technology made countries possible. Wetern liberalism made the first attempt at creating a global order but im afraid this attempt looks like coming up short. Who knows what the next attempt could be. It could be a muslim relgious world order, a chinese state capitalism world order or a marxist world order. I dont know about you but I prefer a western capitalism world order.
 
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In our current world Im for borders. As long as we have different religions and political ideologies then we must have borders. However, that doesnt change the fact that borders are technically violations of human rights. I have no problem with some violations of human rights as to me human rights are just a means to an end. If murdering 10 innocent people would save a million then sign me up to be an executioner. But if you believe human rights are an end in itself, then you have to believe borders are violation of human rights and are wrong.

If the world is to survive it is headed towards a single world order. Technology means this is the only future where humans survive. We either work together or blow ourselves up. You say its a fantasy but so was the idea of countries in the past when we only had kingdoms. Yet there are basically no kingdoms left and only countries now. This occurred because new technology made countries possible. Wetern liberalism made the first attempt at creating a global order but im afraid this attempt looks like coming up short. Who knows what the next attempt could be. It could be a muslim relgious world order, a chinese state capitalism world order or a marxist world order. I dont know about you but I prefer a western capitalism world order.

Borders are only a violation of human rights if human rights are defined in a way to make it so. I don't see any point to this argument at all.

A kingdom is a country ruled by a monarch, not sure what you think the difference is ?

Depends what you mean by world order ? developed countries are more than capable of getting along with each other to a point were they do not blow each other up. We do not need a global government which is not practical for a number of reasons. The UN is a totally useless body and just shows that any type of global government is a waste of time . No country that has much power will ever want a global government because it means their power will largely be gone. Will never happen.

Humans have always been creatures that have broken of into competing tribes , a global government does not reflect human nature.
 
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Borders are only a violation of human rights if human rights are defined in a way to make it so. I don't see any point to this argument at all.

A kingdom is a country ruled by a monarch, not sure what you think the difference is ?

Depends what you mean by world order ? developed countries are more than capable of getting along with each other to a point were they do not blow each other up. We do not need a global government which is not practical for a number of reasons. The UN is a totally useless body and just shows that any type of global government is a waste of time . No country that has much power will ever want a global government because it means their power will largely be gone. Will never happen.

Humans have always been creatures that have broken of into competing tribes , a global government does not reflect human nature.
You know what i meant by kingdoms. england, france, china havent been around forever. They used to be made up of 1000s of small kingdoms. The thought of uniting them under a single government was once a greater fantasy than the thought of uniting the world today.

Nukes have changed the world. old rules dont apply. Nukes have now spread to minor countires and at some point a terrorist organisation will get their hands on them if there isnt a global management system. The larger countries in china and russia have also now developed super nukes that can wipe out whole countries with one button. WIthout world order a global nuclear catastrophe is a certainty. its just whether its 1, 10 or 200 years away.

other technology developments are also making it very difficult for countries to maintain autonomy from the rest of the world. Costs of moving goods across the world are now minimal and in some case zero. People can communicate freely with anyone across the world, people are even making their own currencies now. Single countries cant survive this and global order is desperately needed to manage it.
 
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Immigration is great for the economy and for society in general in the long run, just as long as we accept those that share the same cultural values we all hold dear which makes this country the best in the world i.e. freedom of religion, freedom of association, free market capitalism (with the associated socialised programs we can afford through such a system) and the spirit of a fair go.
 
Identity politics is a dangerous weapon used by the left to destroy western civilisation by continuing failed immigration policies & manufacturing and exploiting guilt.

We must it resist it with everything we have.

White people must resist brown people*...





































*Not identity politics
 
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Immigration is great for the economy and for society in general in the long run, just as long as we accept those that share the same cultural values we all hold dear which makes this country the best in the world i.e. freedom of religion, freedom of association, free market capitalism (with the associated socialised programs we can afford through such a system) and the spirit of a fair go.

When you say its best for the economy and society what is that based on ? when people talk about it being good for the economy they are usually talking about overall GDP growth which does grow however GDP growth per person which is what determines our quality of life is not growing.
 
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So are people all over the world. What makes them so special?

Who is suggesting we don't take anyone else in ?

Obviously we don't know much about these individuals but what we do know is that these are farmers who are likely to be able to integrate very well into Australia.

If an individual has a skill to offer and they are likely to integrate well into Australia they go to the front of the line to enter Australia.
 
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Identity politics is a dangerous weapon used by the left to destroy western civilisation by continuing failed immigration policies & manufacturing and exploiting guilt.

We must it resist it with everything we have.
western civilisation is currently being destroyed by the right who are attacking free media, democracy, independent courts, human rights and empiricial analysis. Immigration is not the main thing to be focusing on right now. In fact the US, Australia and Canada are built on immigration. Immigration is part of what has made western society great but immigrants must be encouraged to take up western liberal humanist ideals and this is where the left have failed with immigration.
 
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Who is suggesting we don't take anyone else in ?

Obviously we don't know much about these individuals but what we do know is that these are farmers who are likely to be able to integrate very well into Australia.

If an individual has a skill to offer and they are likely to integrate well into Australia they go to the front of the line to enter Australia.
do we really need more farmers? Havent we been complaining about chinese people taking australian farms. Doesnt this make the problem worse. Low skilled service workers would integrate much better than farmers.
 

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Need more South Africans.
If it means they escape rampant racism and terror from the shithole they live in now, of course.

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do we really need more farmers? Havent we been complaining about chinese people taking australian farms. Doesnt this make the problem worse. Low skilled service workers would integrate much better than farmers.

Yes we do need more farmers and very baldy. Our farmers are ageing and we are struggling to get young people to become farmers.

These people are coming from a culture that much more closely resembles our culture than most other migrants so hey should have an easier time adjusting to life in Australia . They are also more likely to be willing to live outside our major cities another big plus.

Funny how the left don't want to take in migrants because they are white, just all goes back to the lefts hatred of the western society.
 
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If it means they escape rampant racism and terror from the shithole they live in now, of course.

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2 Simple reasons the left do not want these people to migrate to Australia .

1.They are likely to vote for a right wing party

2.They are in the minds of the left evil oppressive white people
 
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Yes we do need more farmers and very baldy. Our farmers are ageing and we are struggling to get young people to become farmers.

These people are coming from a culture that much more closely resembles our culture than most other migrants so hey should have an easier time adjusting to life in Australia . They are also more likely to be willing to live outside our major cities another big plus.

Funny how the left don't want to take in migrants because they are white, just all goes back to the lefts hatred of the western society.
im not left so cant speak for them. what the sth african govt is doing to these people and their own country is despicable.
 
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