Why can't Geelong and Richmond develop and keep their own ruckmen?

[Byron Porkett]

Incredible really when you think about it. These so called "powerhouse" clubs cannot for the life of them develop, then keep their own ruckmen.

Let's take a look at Richmond. As far as I can tell, their last good home-developed ruckman who was a one-club career was Brendan Gale. In between they've lost Ottens, Vickery and assorted other while adding in Nankervis, Maric, Stafford and Spud Hampson.

You'd have to go even further back with Geelong. For a club that once boasted greats such as Farmer and Newman, they've had to resort to bringing in Stanley (lol), Smith (lol), bringing back Barnes from Essendon and Ottens while losing Mumford, King and Blake. Quite concerning really.


Any reason why these two faux successful clubs can't develop and then keep their own ruckmen?

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Geelong developed one of the greatest ruckman of the modern era ... Brad Ottens who was a forward at Richmond.

 

[Byron Porkett]

Geelong developed one of the greatest ruckman of the modern era ... Brad Ottens who was a forward at Richmond.

I have no idea why Richmond couldn't develop Ottens as a ruck.

And I have no idea why Geelong couldn't keep Ottens playing as a quality forward.

 

[Nickoo]

I have no idea why Richmond couldn't develop Ottens as a ruck.

And I have no idea why Geelong couldn't keep Ottens playing as a quality forward.







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[Elton Johns Wig]

Incredible really when you think about it. These so called "powerhouse" clubs cannot for the life of them develop, then keep their own ruckmen.

Let's take a look at Richmond. As far as I can tell, their last good home-developed ruckman who was a one-club career was Brendan Gale. In between they've lost Ottens, Vickery and assorted other while adding in Nankervis, Maric, Stafford and Spud Hampson.

You'd have to go even further back with Geelong. For a club that once boasted greats such as Farmer and Newman, they've had to resort to bringing in Stanley (lol), Smith (lol), bringing back Barnes from Essendon and Ottens while losing Mumford, King and Blake. Quite concerning really.


Any reason why these two faux successful clubs can't develop and then keep their own ruckmen?

 

[NetworkNerd]

Paddy Ryder...

 

[RAPPA]

Geelong developed one of the greatest ruckman of the modern era ... Brad Ottens who was a forward at Richmond.

One of the greatest? Lololol.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

One of the greatest? Lololol.

I don't think that's in question.

Then again this is Bay 13 so I'll play along.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Why can't Norf win a flag?

 

[Byron Porkett]

Why can't Norf win a flag?

Get out of my Thread and back to the Mainboard you boring plonker

 

[Lethality]

Andrew Browne says hi.

 

[blitzer]

Developing your own ruck can pay off in a big way but it can also mean 4-6 years of a list spot before they leave to go somewhere else for more money and you only get a 2nd or 3rd rounder back for them if you're lucky.

For every Max Gawn, there's a Sam Jacobs. One greatly aided the club that developed them, the other one didn't even though they are both quality players. Plus of course plenty of rucks just don't make it at all, although these days clubs are loathe to spend draft picks on rucks unless they are bloody good prospects. The few rucks that do get picked up in the first 2 rounds now have a pretty good track record in recent years with the rest going in the rookie drafts.

In my opinion the 'percentage play' is going after rucks with late/rookie picks and if it doesn't work then there's always someone not getting a go that wants to play as first ruck. Which seems to be the main strategy of most clubs these days. Grundy is probably the most notable exception in recent years and he slid a long way from the top 10 prospect he was rated as.

As for Geelong and Richmond. Geelong's ruck division is a major concern and probably looks to be something they need to do something about asap so they can get full value out of their talented midfield. Richmond have Nankervis who is a decent ruck, he's no superstar but he's good enough.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Andrew Browne says hi.

We developed Angus Graham and he was so good we shipped him off to Adelaide.

Got a ten pick upgrade we did. Smart.

 

[Mc GeeDoe]

Ruck are over rated anyway. Nank is the best around the ground ruck in the league. He's more like another mid, tall back or tall forward. Cant actually get a tap though and gives away 4-5 frees a game, but our dominance proves my theory anyway. We lose 80% of hit outs and clearances but then we just harass like fukk and win the ball back anyway. Its our game plan basically.

As for developing our own, keep your eyes and ears posted for big Ivan mark 2. Or Sir Ivan Soldo to you flogs. 8' 2" on his knees. Was a cat b rookie who has been developing very well in the VFL. But sure, we've had some real plodders before him.

 

[Tiger2709]

Incredible really when you think about it. These so called "powerhouse" clubs cannot for the life of them develop, then keep their own ruckmen.

Let's take a look at Richmond. As far as I can tell, their last good home-developed ruckman who was a one-club career was Brendan Gale. In between they've lost Ottens, Vickery and assorted other while adding in Nankervis, Maric, Stafford and Spud Hampson.

You'd have to go even further back with Geelong. For a club that once boasted greats such as Farmer and Newman, they've had to resort to bringing in Stanley (lol), Smith (lol), bringing back Barnes from Essendon and Ottens while losing Mumford, King and Blake. Quite concerning really.


Any reason why these two faux successful clubs can't develop and then keep their own ruckmen?

You lost me Porky the minute you mentioned Vickers as a ruckmen.

We developed Nankers from a Swan also ran into a Premiership player?

 

[Tiger2709]

Big clubs dont need to develop players, they just take what they want when they want.

When we talk about a devoloping nation are we saying they're a superpower, no they're a minnow.

 

[Chaseton]

To get this right, what you’re saying is, you have no idea really.


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He is a bigger doofus than that other puffer arsestaff

 

[Elite Finger Twirler]

Paddy Ryder...

Brendon Lade, Dean Brogan, Matthew Lobbe...

Wait

 

[Coach_Required]

What are you talking about? we developed one of the great modern day Rucks in Shaun Grigg. Carlton thought he was a winger lol we knew he would one day be a premiership ruckman

 

[the avoca drover]

We developed Mark Lee.

 

[Tigernator]

Incredible really when you think about it. These so called "powerhouse" clubs cannot for the life of them develop, then keep their own ruckmen.

Let's take a look at Richmond. As far as I can tell, their last good home-developed ruckman who was a one-club career was Brendan Gale. In between they've lost Ottens, Vickery and assorted other while adding in Nankervis, Maric, Stafford and Spud Hampson.

You'd have to go even further back with Geelong. For a club that once boasted greats such as Farmer and Newman, they've had to resort to bringing in Stanley (lol), Smith (lol), bringing back Barnes from Essendon and Ottens while losing Mumford, King and Blake. Quite concerning really.


Any reason why these two faux successful clubs can't develop and then keep their own ruckmen?

Barnaby French Board you old puffer glubbering D.H!

 

[go you pups]

Oh boy, OPs team couldn't keep French, Lobbe or Trengove and had to trade in Primus, Ryder and Renouf

#concerning

 

[Tyler Durden007]

One of the greatest? Lololol.

Now that's funny. Rapetank laughing at us. Kind of like the '**** kid who tells himself a joke in his own head, pisses himself laughing whilst everyone looks uncomfortable and bemused.

 

[Benny78]

Incredible really when you think about it. These so called "powerhouse" clubs cannot for the life of them develop, then keep their own ruckmen.

Let's take a look at Richmond. As far as I can tell, their last good home-developed ruckman who was a one-club career was Brendan Gale. In between they've lost Ottens, Vickery and assorted other while adding in Nankervis, Maric, Stafford and Spud Hampson.

You'd have to go even further back with Geelong. For a club that once boasted greats such as Farmer and Newman, they've had to resort to bringing in Stanley (lol), Smith (lol), bringing back Barnes from Essendon and Ottens while losing Mumford, King and Blake. Quite concerning really.


Any reason why these two faux successful clubs can't develop and then keep their own ruckmen?

Why can't Port rabbleaids develop more than one anything?

 

[RAPPA]

Now that's funny. Rapetank laughing at us. Kind of like the '**** kid who tells himself a joke in his own head, pisses himself laughing whilst everyone looks uncomfortable and bemused.

Of course I'll laugh. Is there an available 34 year old to recruit next year to drive your lot into premiership contention? Poor old Scott must be spewing that Murphy re-signed.