No doubting the Coll-Carl rivalry, but I MUST state a few points. In head-to-head meetings, Carlton are 15 wins ahead of Collingwood.However, in Carl-Ess matches, Carlton only lead by 11. Essendon and Carlton have BOTH won 16 flags, while the Pies are back on 14.
Carlton and Collingwood have met each other in 6 Grand Finals (with the Blues. winning 5, making it a lopsided rivalry). Essendon and Carlton have ALSO met in 6 Grand Finals, winning 3 each (including a recent Grand Final and TWO preliminary finals)
Now, considering that Carlton and Essendon have BOTH won 16 flags, and that Essendon is CLOSER than Collingwood in head-to-head wins agaisnt the Blues, in ADDITION to the fact that Essendon have met Carlton 6 times in Grand Finals (same as Coll-Carl), wouldn't this logically make the Essendon-Carlton rivalry the biggest in football?
If you ask a Carlton suporter which team they would most like to beat right now, they'd say Essendon. I've got Carlton mates that just despise Essendon. Thwey don;t give a crap about Ciollingwood. I can't speak for all Carlton supporters of course, since everyone feesl differently. Anway, like I was saying, Carlton want to beat Essendon so bad because Essendon have been so good recently, admittedly. But that is one of the things that make a rivalry.......success. And Collingwood has been lacking for a long time in that respect.
Why would a club with 14 premierships vs a club with 16 premierships prsent a bigger rivalry that two clubs who are both on 16 ???
Esspecially given that Carlton has won virtually EVERY important game when they play Collingwood in their history. Carlton have won the last 5 Grand Finals between the clubs, the 1992 Collingwood centenary match, and the Blues have also won 12 out of the last 14.
Nope, Essendon and Carlton is the leagues biggest rivalry.
When I say Esendon-and Carlton is the biggest rivalry, I'm not just saying that because I am an Essendon supporter. It's no big secret that Carlton-Essendon is a huge rivalry. I'd probably be writing these exat same words if i baracked for, say, Hawthorn.
Like I said, any Carlton supporter would want to beat Essendon more than Collingwood currently.
I can hear all the Magpie supporters saying,:"Yeah, but that's only because Essendon won the premiership, and have been succesful recently"
Well, if that's the reason, so be it. That;s one of the rweason everyone wanted to beat Collingwood in the old days - because they'd always win ! The really big rivalrys happen because both clubs are successful, and they are at each other year after year for a long period of time. Carlton despise Essendon because Essendon have won 16 premierships (and are closest to Carlton in head-to-head matches) When Carlton announced a new sponsor last week, the one other team Joh Elliott referred to was Essendon.
Essendon-Carlton Grand Finals go back longer than Carlton-Collingwood. Essendon and Carlton first met in 1908. They then met in 1947, 49, 62, 68 and 1993. There seems to be this absurd notion that Ess-Carl is a recent rivalry. Bullshit ! They have been at each other for 100 years. It didn't just "happen" in 1993 !
Carlton have met Collingwood in 1910,1915, 38,70,79,81.
It's not as if Carlton and Collingwood have been at it any longer than Essendon-Carlton.
In fact, Essendon-Carlton Grand Finals span from 1908 to 1993 (85 years). Carlton-Collingwood Grand Finals span from 1910 to 1981 (71 years)
The great part about Essendon-Carlton is that the two clubs have been so even. No club has really got the upper hand. 3 Grand Final wins each, a slight advantage to the Blues in head-to-head meetings, and 16 premierships each.
Meanwhile, the Carlton-Collingwood rivalry has the Blues 15 wins clear, 2 premierships clear, and 5-1 leaders in Grand Finals.
Ask most Blues supporters nowadays who they' would rather beat, and I think they will say Essendon. Essendon are closer to Carlton in every respect than what Collingwood are, so that is only natural.
The fact that I am an Essendon suppoerter is irrelevant. I hate Carlton. I'd state that the Carlton-Collingwod rivalry was number 1 if it deserved it, but it's probably at number 2. I always call it as i see it.
My rivalry's rankings are :
1.) Ess-Carl
2.) Coll-Carl
3.) Ess-Coll
4.) Rich-Carl
5.) Melb-Coll
6.) Rich-Coll
7.) Adel-Port
8.) WCE-Freo
9.) Ess-Haw
10.) Ess-Roos
11.) Haw-Roos
12.) Ess-Rich
[This message has been edited by Dan24 (edited 23 January 2001).]
Carlton and Collingwood have met each other in 6 Grand Finals (with the Blues. winning 5, making it a lopsided rivalry). Essendon and Carlton have ALSO met in 6 Grand Finals, winning 3 each (including a recent Grand Final and TWO preliminary finals)
Now, considering that Carlton and Essendon have BOTH won 16 flags, and that Essendon is CLOSER than Collingwood in head-to-head wins agaisnt the Blues, in ADDITION to the fact that Essendon have met Carlton 6 times in Grand Finals (same as Coll-Carl), wouldn't this logically make the Essendon-Carlton rivalry the biggest in football?
If you ask a Carlton suporter which team they would most like to beat right now, they'd say Essendon. I've got Carlton mates that just despise Essendon. Thwey don;t give a crap about Ciollingwood. I can't speak for all Carlton supporters of course, since everyone feesl differently. Anway, like I was saying, Carlton want to beat Essendon so bad because Essendon have been so good recently, admittedly. But that is one of the things that make a rivalry.......success. And Collingwood has been lacking for a long time in that respect.
Why would a club with 14 premierships vs a club with 16 premierships prsent a bigger rivalry that two clubs who are both on 16 ???
Esspecially given that Carlton has won virtually EVERY important game when they play Collingwood in their history. Carlton have won the last 5 Grand Finals between the clubs, the 1992 Collingwood centenary match, and the Blues have also won 12 out of the last 14.
Nope, Essendon and Carlton is the leagues biggest rivalry.
When I say Esendon-and Carlton is the biggest rivalry, I'm not just saying that because I am an Essendon supporter. It's no big secret that Carlton-Essendon is a huge rivalry. I'd probably be writing these exat same words if i baracked for, say, Hawthorn.
Like I said, any Carlton supporter would want to beat Essendon more than Collingwood currently.
I can hear all the Magpie supporters saying,:"Yeah, but that's only because Essendon won the premiership, and have been succesful recently"
Well, if that's the reason, so be it. That;s one of the rweason everyone wanted to beat Collingwood in the old days - because they'd always win ! The really big rivalrys happen because both clubs are successful, and they are at each other year after year for a long period of time. Carlton despise Essendon because Essendon have won 16 premierships (and are closest to Carlton in head-to-head matches) When Carlton announced a new sponsor last week, the one other team Joh Elliott referred to was Essendon.
Essendon-Carlton Grand Finals go back longer than Carlton-Collingwood. Essendon and Carlton first met in 1908. They then met in 1947, 49, 62, 68 and 1993. There seems to be this absurd notion that Ess-Carl is a recent rivalry. Bullshit ! They have been at each other for 100 years. It didn't just "happen" in 1993 !
Carlton have met Collingwood in 1910,1915, 38,70,79,81.
It's not as if Carlton and Collingwood have been at it any longer than Essendon-Carlton.
In fact, Essendon-Carlton Grand Finals span from 1908 to 1993 (85 years). Carlton-Collingwood Grand Finals span from 1910 to 1981 (71 years)
The great part about Essendon-Carlton is that the two clubs have been so even. No club has really got the upper hand. 3 Grand Final wins each, a slight advantage to the Blues in head-to-head meetings, and 16 premierships each.
Meanwhile, the Carlton-Collingwood rivalry has the Blues 15 wins clear, 2 premierships clear, and 5-1 leaders in Grand Finals.
Ask most Blues supporters nowadays who they' would rather beat, and I think they will say Essendon. Essendon are closer to Carlton in every respect than what Collingwood are, so that is only natural.
The fact that I am an Essendon suppoerter is irrelevant. I hate Carlton. I'd state that the Carlton-Collingwod rivalry was number 1 if it deserved it, but it's probably at number 2. I always call it as i see it.
My rivalry's rankings are :
1.) Ess-Carl
2.) Coll-Carl
3.) Ess-Coll
4.) Rich-Carl
5.) Melb-Coll
6.) Rich-Coll
7.) Adel-Port
8.) WCE-Freo
9.) Ess-Haw
10.) Ess-Roos
11.) Haw-Roos
12.) Ess-Rich
[This message has been edited by Dan24 (edited 23 January 2001).]
