Roast Why Derek?

[jmac70]

I was certain I read that their intention was to keep him on the rookie list...

According to the OP they were going to delist him.

 

[Spatfers]

According to the OP they were going to delist him.

According to you there is nothing wrong with list management and recruitment at Collingwood.

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[Spatfers]

So Hine sprouts some bullsh!t about needing picks in this years draft for Brown. Maybe if we had traded for future 4th and 5th round picks last draft instead of recruiting a spud on a long-term contract we wouldn't have to sacrifice 15-20 places in a strong draft. But I guess Tyler Brown was only born yesterday so they didn't have time to plan ahead. No time for foresight when you need to move up the ladder so desperately.

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[TheGreatGrundy]

COLLINGWOOD: B-
GAINED: Sam Murray
LOST: Nil
DRAFT PICKS: 6, 38, 56, 61, 70, 80, 98

The Pies didn’t make many waves at all this trade period, but in saying that, they didn’t pull another Chris Mayne, so I guess this should be considered a win in comparison. The only shake they made was trading for Sam Murray, a rookie-listed Sydney defender with a raking left foot. With late picks shuffled and it all getting a bit murky, Collingwood essentially parted ways with a future second-round pick. Personally, I think that is a hell of a lot for an untried kid, but those in the know believe you won’t find a kid like him around that pick this year. The jury’s still out for me and I would have seriously liked Collingwood to address their forward line issues with Josh Schache. It is pretty evident the Pies are putting together a war chest for Gold Coast’s Tom Lynch next year… good luck to them.

http://www.footyology.com.au/the-trades-did-your-club-pass-or-fail-trade-period-test/

I agree that we should have made a serious play for Schache. We could have swapped draft picks, negotiated harder and more persuasively, or offered up a few players for trade. Anything other than create controversy yet again over our trading ability.

Players from other clubs were in demand. Who wanted our guys? Which Pies' player was pursued by another club? BJ is a club apologist so I can only assume he posted this as support for the trade. A B- rating seems generous given that the comments are not really complimentary of the deal. We get a 'win' because we 'didn't pull another Chris Mayne'. Damning praise, I would have thought.

 

[Seedsfan]

I will leave this heat, I have heard from someone in the industry that, Wells, Aish, Mayne, Treloar, Scharenberg, Greenwood and Blair are all on overs. Treloar is understandably but all those others **** me that's terrible

 

[PieNSauce]

My take on the title of this thread is that it is completely out of line and ignores the known fact that as far as list management goes, Hine already got the sack. Having said that, Hine is not the only person suggesting that the for the price paid there is no other kid of equal ability available. I still say our biggest need is to trade out some hack supporters.

 

[35Daicos]

My take on the title of this thread is that it is completely out of line and ignores the known fact that as far as list management goes, Hine already got the sack. Having said that, Hine is not the only person suggesting that the for the price paid there is no other kid of equal ability available. I still say our biggest need is to trade out some hack supporters.

Yes, please!!

 

[PieNSauce]

Yes, please!!

Ha ha. Well I said supporters but I guess I should qualify that there was a fair amount of license taken in using that word.

 

[northpie]

I like your loyalty pie n sauce but it is misplaced here. We massively overpaid for this trade plain and simple. Sydney will be laughing their heads of that they managed to bring a second round pick into it, regardless of any swaps behind that.
Saad and Wilson traded for second rounds, both of whom are in top 10 running backs in AFL comp. ( they both have superior output to our targets output in the neafl)we pay that price and get a maiden rookie.!

 

[Darkyprotector]

I've never heard Hine speak like that. Sounds like a guy who is under pressure.

Like most
He's sick of all the uninformed yoyos who have no idea, but are happy to shoot off suppositions without facts,knowledge of future plans and cap space and act like sheep following Known biased opinion of MSM

 

[Quicky]

Like most
He's sick of all the uninformed yoyos who have no idea, but are happy to shoot off suppositions without facts,knowledge of future plans and cap space and act like sheep following Known biased opinion of MSM

I reckon the criticism is justified. Hine's explanation was weak when you look at the details. We overpaid and weakened our position in next years draft, including our ability to get father sons or academy players. That's not to say we won't get that value back because i'm bullish on Murray, but I reckon we could have gotten him cheaper than we did. I think that and don't consider myself a sheep.

 

[Darkyprotector]

I like your loyalty pie n sauce but it is misplaced here. We massively overpaid for this trade plain and simple. Sydney will be laughing their heads of that they managed to bring a second round pick into it, regardless of any swaps behind that.
Saad and Wilson traded for second rounds, both of whom are in top 10 running backs in AFL comp. ( they both have superior output to our targets output in the neafl)we pay that price and get a maiden rookie.!

Forgetting money money
We are set for FREE AGENTS next year McDonald /lynch
So we saved aprox saad $800k or Wilson $1.2 over 3 years for a player at worst cost 42
Then got extra points for Tyler this year and seeing we have 2 academy and a f/ s next year draft position is irrelevant
Everyone's FREEKING OUT again
Pacey defender that we didn't have
Great shut down defender
Outstanding quick small forward
Key position star
Key position swingman
Great drafting

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Then got extra points for Tyler this year and seeing we have 2 academy and a f/ s next year draft position is irrelevant

But draft position = points.

 

[Darkyprotector]

I reckon the criticism is justified. Hine's explanation was weak when you look at the details. We overpaid and weakened our position in next years draft, including our ability to get father sons or academy players. That's not to say we won't get that value you back because i'm bullish on Murray, but I reckon we could have gotten him cheaper than we did. I think that and don't consider myself a sheep.

No he's DENIAL was factual and accurate
I admit I didn't fully know the rules re rookies ect,but I rekin both
Harley and Derek would! both explained it
We are for example into 3 academy type selections and we get discounts for same
We know now who we want

But draft position = points.

Very true nice observation
We have though 18 to 20 players coming out of contract next year with only 2 retirements maybe
Heaps of middle to low choices coming our way via trades as these players hold value in the market place
Already we have a first 2 thirds ,1 fourth ect ,my point and dekas is we get a discount on the players we are going to draft ,who like all clubs are aware are quality and getting drafted by us
2 of these will recieve other offers
SAMs a good trade that got a needed type player at low cap impact today
Tommorrow
If he goes all right it's a great trade , if we finish above Sydney it's huge
And will cost less
Who knows he could help

 

[Quicky]

No he's DENIAL was factual and accurate
I admit I didn't fully know the rules re rookies ect,but I rekin both
Harley and Derek would! both explained it
We are for example into 3 academy type selections and we get discounts for same
We know now who we want


Very true nice observation
We have though 18 to 20 players coming out of contract next year with only 2 retirements maybe
Heaps of middle to low choices coming our way via trades as these players hold value in the market place
Already we have a first 2 thirds ,1 fourth ect ,my point and dekas is we get a discount on the players we are going to draft ,who like all clubs are aware are quality and getting drafted by us
2 of these will recieve other offers
SAMs a good trade that got a needed type player at low cap impact today
Tommorrow
If he goes all right it's a great trade , if we finish above Sydney it's huge
And will cost less
Who knows he could help

Read this: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-f-a-2017-2018-refreshed.1180157/page-140#post-53166029

It illustrates why Hine's explanation is flawed.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

It's like my wife buying an Astra for $100,000 and giving me a pie as change.

I'd be questioning the relationship there good Sir.

You get her a spanking new car

And all she does is feed you? An a pie no less?

That's all?

I think she should be at least spanking you back.... at least

 

[jmac70]

According to you there is nothing wrong with list management and recruitment at Collingwood.

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Are you saying you were wrong?

 

[Spatfers]

Are you saying you were wrong?

I was wrong in that I thought he'd be delisted, I didn't realise you could maintain rookies. Its still a monumentally dumb trade, the fact he would have stayed a rookie just reinforces that.

Unlike you Jmac, I'd rather be slightly wrong asking questions of the club than repeat the side by side mantra every time they do something stupid.

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[jmac70]

I was wrong in that I thought he'd be delisted, I didn't realise you could maintain rookies. Its still a monumentally dumb trade, the fact he would have stayed a rookie just reinforces that.

Unlike you Jmac, I'd rather be slightly wrong asking questions of the club than repeat the side by side mantra every time they do something stupid.

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Thanks for confirming you were wrong. I wasn't sure.

 

[Spatfers]

Read this: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-f-a-2017-2018-refreshed.1180157/page-140#post-53166029

It illustrates why Hine's explanation is flawed.

Don't use factual evidence to show people why Hine is wrong, just tow the company line and never question. Side by side or you're not a real supporter.

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[Spatfers]

Thanks for confirming you were wrong. I wasn't sure.

Ah the 60 minutes approach. Good work company man. Never question.

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[jmac70]

Ah the 60 minutes approach. Good work company man. Never question.

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Question by all means, but get your facts straight first.

 

[Spatfers]

Question by all means, but get your facts straight first.

And what do you say to these facts Jmac? Or do you chose what facts to cling to?

[quote uid=180349 name="Darkyprotector" post=53178314]No he's DENIAL was factual and accurate<br />I admit I didn't fully know the rules re rookies ect,but I rekin both<br />Harley and Derek would! both explained it<br />We are for example into 3 academy type selections and we get discounts for same<br />We know now who we want<br /><br /><br />Very true nice observation<br />We have though 18 to 20 players coming out of contract next year with only 2 retirements maybe<br />Heaps of middle to low choices coming our way via trades as these players hold value in the market place<br />Already we have a first 2 thirds ,1 fourth ect ,my point and dekas is we get a discount on the players we are going to draft ,who like all clubs are aware are quality and getting drafted by us<br />2 of these will recieve other offers<br />SAMs a good trade that got a needed type player at low cap impact today<br />Tommorrow<br />If he goes all right it's a great trade , if we finish above Sydney it's huge<br />And will cost less<br />Who knows he could help[/QUOTE]<br /><br />Read this: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-f-a-2017-2018-refreshed.1180157/page-140#post-53166029<br /><br />It illustrates why Hine's explanation is flawed.

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[jmac70]

And what do you say to these facts Jmac? Or do you chose what facts to cling to?

[quote uid=180349 name="Darkyprotector" post=53178314]No he's DENIAL was factual and accurate<br />I admit I didn't fully know the rules re rookies ect,but I rekin both<br />Harley and Derek would! both explained it<br />We are for example into 3 academy type selections and we get discounts for same<br />We know now who we want<br /><br /><br />Very true nice observation<br />We have though 18 to 20 players coming out of contract next year with only 2 retirements maybe<br />Heaps of middle to low choices coming our way via trades as these players hold value in the market place<br />Already we have a first 2 thirds ,1 fourth ect ,my point and dekas is we get a discount on the players we are going to draft ,who like all clubs are aware are quality and getting drafted by us<br />2 of these will recieve other offers<br />SAMs a good trade that got a needed type player at low cap impact today<br />Tommorrow<br />If he goes all right it's a great trade , if we finish above Sydney it's huge<br />And will cost less<br />Who knows he could help

<br /><br />Read this: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-f-a-2017-2018-refreshed.1180157/page-140#post-53166029<br /><br />It illustrates why Hine's explanation is flawed.

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I don't read posts that long sorry. Why didn't you mention in your OP that Sydney included a third round pick in the trade?

 

[Spatfers]

<br /><br />Read this: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-f-a-2017-2018-refreshed.1180157/page-140#post-53166029<br /><br />It illustrates why Hine's explanation is flawed.

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I don't read posts that long sorry. Why didn't you mention in your OP that Sydney included a third round pick in the trade?[/QUOTE]
Ah right, you don't read 'long posts'. Still in denial stage then. Thanks for confirming you never question. Side by side and all that.

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